Forgot I previously owned Etymotic ER-4P earphones and a Ray Samuels Tomahawk headphone amp back in 2008ish fed from an iPod. Earphones were good once you got a good seal but cable microphonics were annoying, amp was a bit meh.
Lol, K702 as the "bland steamed broccoli of headphones"! I think you got that backwards, they have the best soundstage of any headphone I've listened to, amoungst other qualities....I'd be surprised if any other headphone has a better soundstage than the K702 apart from perhaps the HD800s which I've not tried but touted as the best soundstage headphone. Of course you can use EQ to change the frequency response to your liking. Also, Audeze being your favourite headphone, every Audeze headphone has a pretty ****ed up frequency response with sharp dips & peaks or just plain "way off" frequency responses (with a couple of exceptions, 2 of them are not too bad in terms of salvageable with EQ), here is pretty much every single Audeze headphone measured by Oratory showing how messed up they are:I recently got a pair of Audeze LCD 3F I like them a lot. Adding a little EQ to the bass makes them my ideal headphone. I bought them as an upgrade to my Hifiman HD560 350ohm version. I also have a pair of sendyaudio aiva planar headphones. I bought them used on a lark because everybody in the head-fi thread has a completely different take on how they sounded. On top of that somebody posted their measurements when they admitted they were having problems with their dummy head giving inaccurate measurements. All in all they’re middling headphones with the exception that they’re ultra revealing. I still use them for chamber music. I like to listen for small glimpses of the musicians themselves such as their labored breathing during a demanding passage of the odd tap of a cuff link on ivory. These headphones are great for that kind of listening. I also have a pair of akg k702’s. I’ve had them for about 15 years or so primarily for use as a studio monitor for my wife editing her home recordings. I also got them used. They were a flavor of the month, a bunch of people bought them on a whim and then sold them as they’re a very bland headphone. Like the steamed broccoli of headphones. I have a pair of Sony w1000 xm3’s for general use. Like listening to a tv show while cleaning the house or blocking out noise on an airplane. I also have a pair of shure se535’s along with various other crappy general purpose wired and Bluetooth headphones.
I used to drive the better ones with a lyr mk1 with a Bifrost mk1 but my lyr went on the fritz, with a crumpling paper like static that I couldn’t resolve. It was definitely tube socket related as wiggling one particular tube would produce the static. I tried swapping tubes, cleaning the socket and tube contacts with deoxit and a stiff bristle brush. I was going to try and resoldering the socket itself but the hex head screw that holds the volume knob is some size that I can’t seem to find. I have several Allen wrench sets that go down to sub mm but none seem to be tiny enough to fit so I just gave up and found this place and ordered a topping dx7 pro.
also if amirm wants to measure any of these headphones I’ll lend them as we both live in the Seattle area.
K702 I don't really recommend without EQ, so you can cure a lot of those missing lows. I'd be surprised if your planar headphones blow the K702 away for soundstage, I have a planar headphone that is supposedly very good for soundstage, and it is better than my other headphones, but not as good as the K702 re soundstage. Re EQ, I don't really recommend any headphones without EQ, my HD600 is the only one I've enjoyed without EQ.The sound stage of the k702 is good but only for a dynamic driver headphone. It’s blown away by the 3 planar headphones I own regardless of their frequency response. The k702 have an embarrassing low end which is the origin of my broccoli comparison. They’re good for acoustic guitar and and classical (I’m sure others but I’m only coming from my listening taste) but with rock the cymbals sparkle but the drums have no punch. The lcd 3F has 2 strange dips and admittedly they’re deep. while the k702 are very great for dynamic headphone but is a disaster in the high end. It’s way too pronounced and can make sharp sounds like violins sibilant and varies 10db in the high end before it completely rolls off. I’m glad you’re opinionated and I don’t take it personally. But I also think that you’re way off.
also being yelled at by a “major contributor” on my second day of very on brand for me.
I don't know if you like the Harman Curve for headphones or not, but a K702 EQ is not widely available, however a bonafide "Harman-approved" measurement of K702 exists from a guy called Crinacle, I did an EQ based on his measurement, so you could try out my EQ I did on the basis of that if you like, also the EqualiserAPO config file attached:I admittedly have not eqed them. They are from the original run when the k702 first was released. I was still using an oppo CD player to listen and mo3 was considered passé. I gave them to my wife for when we mix her music because I do love their midrange and soundstage which to me makes soft vocals feel more intimate which is my wife’s whole thing. Their accentuated high end makes acoustic guitars sparkle.
thanks for the conversation. You and anybody else can call out my hyperbole and appeals to emotion all they want. I’m typically guilty of it and don’t take it personally.
Also I’m going to try to eq them. I have a falling apart pair of k701s that I’ve ruined by using in my ceramics studio. I’m going to order new pads and do some critical listening which to me is the fun part of this hobby.
I do like the look of the HD8xx from what I've seen, seems to be the one to get if you're interested in a Sennheiser HD800s. Slightly better bass and better value. I'd be interested in seeing the HD8xx reviewed here. I gotta say though, it's still too much money for a headphone, I'm keeping my EQ'd K702 as my favourite.Hifiman HE1000 - the original "soft like toilet paper" headphone according to Tyll Hertsens of Inner Fidelity. Bought it because it won that shootout with Bob Katz, Tyll and a bunch of other audio geeks back in 2015 over the HD800, Stax SR009 and 007 and a bunch of other headphones due to its ability to make everything sound good.
Sennheiser HD800 - the first TOTL headphone of the millennium that basically created the high end headphone market that we know today. Has SDR mod. Only way to listen to it. Still a bit bright but its the most comfortable full size headphone I've ever worn and has the best soundstage.
Focal Utopia - I'll admit it, I bought it because it has beryllium in it. This was when I was in the beryllium hype a long time ago, having owned the Revel Ultima2 speakers for over a decade, and also owned the Usher BE series before dumping them in disgust because of the Brush Wellman fiasco when it was revealed their beryllium was just titanium. I probably listen to these the least, they have good punchy bass...but otherwise I prefer listening to the HD800 and HE1000 for better soundstage. They mostly just sit on display these days...
I used to own the SR009 too, but I finally got tired of it because it was so thin sounding. It actually made the HD800 sound bassy. I did buy into the HD8xx Drop. Hopefully it will be worth the money...