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Electrostatic mid-1970's Superex Electronics Corporation out of Yonkers, New York model PEP-74 headphones with it's original energizer console have come into my possession. The owner paid U$68 before tax in 1976 for these including the self-biasing energizer, which is equivalent to U$375 in 2024 dollars. I cleared away exterior and interior deteriorating foam, modified their interiors for diffusion of the 0backwave and put on some recycled flat ear pads. Only then did I plug them into the energizer giving them soft music continuously for several days as the left and right sides came back to life at different stages.

They sound so good for my melodic jazz that I'd been repeatedly listening way past midnight. Satisfied with my modification I fortuitously picked up an old Superex stable alternating current ("AC") bias type of design energizer which makes them sound even better keeping me immersed for hours. (The original box show a rock band and I've read these are also excellent for Rock music.)

[As I've read elsewhere: self biasing designed energizers' transformers have more windings than "AC" transformers which puts comparatively more voltage on the transformers' output coil when the input voltage is otherwise the same for both types of energizers and downstream that comparatively lessens transient response and the linearity of frequency responses. Due to relatively inferior impulse response the musical impact is less and so comparatively we perceive the sound as thinner and more indistinct; the sound stage droops, the bass from self biasing transformers sounds weaker and turning the volume up too much introduces bass distortion. I've read self biasing energizer design introduce a higher input impedance into their output transformers and in contrast "AC" bias energizers get by with lower input impedance into their transformers. This detail of "AC" bias energizes contributes to the better bass, tone and flowing richness of sound obtained from "A.C." energizers in contrast to the different self biasing units' higher input impedance which downstream shows up in restricted frequency bandwidth. Thus the self biasing energizers relatively lose both bass extension and high treble; turning up the volume to compensate for thin sound can cause THD to increase during musical peaks in the upper midrange frequencies at the same time those sound brighter. And the difference between functional design means the self biasing energizer can provoke unpredictability among the assorted harmonic orders while the "AC" bias energizer avoids harmonic randomness.]
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Is it worth doing all that? God knows how these things measure, especially since they come from the 70's! Wouldn't you just get better sound quality by buying a good measuring pair of headphones that have been measured here on ASR & by Oratory, then just use the Oratory EQ......or even just a pair of headphones that has been proven to measure ok at stock & then don't use any EQ. Surely that's gonna be miles ahead of any revived headphone from the 1970's?
 
^I obviously can’t speak for others but I know a fair few folks in the hobby who seem far more attracted to tinkering and messing around with gear than just getting a headphone that sounds great..which is perfectly alright.
I’ve seen and met quite a few who owns several flagships but uses about 80% of their listening time with something like an elderly HD540, YH-1 and a DT48.
Then again maybe the sound is preferable to them. There is no accounting for tastebuds.

Edith!
My can collection right now:
HD580 Precision - classic jazz and rock king/classical connoisseur
HD600 - same as above but ever so slightly warmer
HD58X - Funkadelic purveyor
HD650 - for tired ears and slightly poorly recorded albums
HD490 - Jack of all trades and comfort king
HD620 - “650 closedback”
HE500 - Jack of all trades planar style/electronica king
Sundara Silver - same as above with a tad more sparkle up top/ambient king
 
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^I obviously can’t speak for others but I know a fair few folks in the hobby who seem far more attracted to tinkering and messing around with gear than just getting a headphone that sounds great..which is perfectly alright.
I’ve seen and met quite a few who owns several flagships but uses about 80% of their listening time with something like an elderly HD540, YH-1 and a DT48.
Then again maybe the sound is preferable to them. There is no accounting for tastebuds.

Edith!
My can collection right now:
HD580 Precision - classic jazz and rock king/classical connoisseur
HD600 - same as above but ever so slightly warmer
HD58X - Funkadelic purveyor
HD650 - for tired ears and slightly poorly recorded albums
HD490 - Jack of all trades and comfort king
HD620 - “650 closedback”
HE500 - Jack of all trades planar style/electronica king
Sundara Silver - same as above with a tad more sparkle up top/ambient king
Yep, I understand the tinkering thing, but I sort of hope it's not in an endeavour to get best sound quality.
 
^I obviously can’t speak for others but I know a fair few folks in the hobby who seem far more attracted to tinkering and messing around with gear than just getting a headphone that sounds great..which is perfectly alright.
I’ve seen and met quite a few who owns several flagships but uses about 80% of their listening time with something like an elderly HD540, YH-1 and a DT48.
Then again maybe the sound is preferable to them. There is no accounting for tastebuds.

Edith!
My can collection right now:
HD580 Precision - classic jazz and rock king/classical connoisseur
HD600 - same as above but ever so slightly warmer
HD58X - Funkadelic purveyor
HD650 - for tired ears and slightly poorly recorded albums
HD490 - Jack of all trades and comfort king
HD620 - “650 closedback”
HE500 - Jack of all trades planar style/electronica king
Sundara Silver - same as above with a tad more sparkle up top/ambient king
HD490 is looking like a solid newer release from Sennheiser.
 
Yep, I understand the tinkering thing, but I sort of hope it's not in an endeavour to get best sound quality.
I’ve met a lot of people in this hobby who feel way more pleased and happy with gear they themselves have “fixed/bettered”.
As for the sound quality being better? Maybe maybe not. In the end it really depends on the listener’s preference. Even the most perfectly tuned Harman Target headphone will meet a wall whenever encountering old school Grado and Audeze fans…fx.
 
HD490 is looking like a solid newer release from Sennheiser.
It’s a wonderful headphone. I don’t EQ though so can’t recommend it based on that.
But if you dig a warmer and more realistic take on the Hifiman tuning, you’ll probably dig the 490 with velour pads big time.
 
@Robbo99999, - I currently also own 3 planar magnetics and 5 other common design headphones. These Superex electrostatics with it's perfectly acceptable self biasing energizer only cost me U$100 plus tax, which was an entry point for a lot less than any other electrostatic combo. Cleaning and then modding the Superex electrostatics was not difficult for me having previously modded to my personal satisfaction many other designs of headphones over the years. These electrostatics sound excellent to me now and some day I'll get around to experimenting with my dual channel 30 frequency equalizer's settings. Even the original headband is still fine with such comfortable clamping force positioning my substituted ear pads so well that last night when wore them in bed for the first time over the hours their musical rendering drifted me in and out of sleep.

Below are 2 old internet quotes from electrostatic threads by a knowledgable technical poster.

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@Robbo99999, - I currently also own 3 planar magnetics and 5 other common design headphones. These Superex electrostatics with it's perfectly acceptable self biasing energizer only cost me U$100 plus tax, which was an entry point for a lot less than any other electrostatic combo. Cleaning and then modding the Superex electrostatics was not difficult for me having previously modded to my personal satisfaction many other designs of headphones over the years. These electrostatics sound excellent to me now and some day I'll get around to experimenting with my dual channel 30 frequency equalizer's settings. Even the original headband is still fine with such comfortable clamping force positioning my substituted ear pads so well that last night when wore them in bed for the first time over the hours their musical rendering drifted me in and out of sleep.

Below are 2 old internet quotes from electrostatic threads by a knowledgable technical poster.

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There's nothing wrong with tinkering, but without measurements you can't really improve the sound much, it's just all a stab in the dark. Your large text quotes don't do anything to prove anything re sound quality, but that's fine unless you intended that to be the case. Also, on the the general scene of "modding" headphones I don't see it as worthy/useful, as parametric EQ based on measurements is a lot more precise, but of course with your electrostats you were refurbishing them to some degree anyway so it's not like you could have just used EQ on them, but the "dark art" of modding headphones is crude and feels "Head-Fi" & "audiophool", but can still be valid if you're using measurements to validate the changes I suppose.
 
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There's nothing wrong with tinkering, but without measurements you can't really improve the sound much, it's just all a stab in the dark. Your large text quotes don't do anything to prove anything re sound quality, but that's fine unless you intended that to be the case. Also, on the the general scene of "modding" headphones I don't see it as worthy/useful, as parametric EQ based on measurements is a lot more precise, but of course with your electrostats you were refurbishing them to some degree anyway so it's not like you could have just used EQ on them, but the "dark art" of modding headphones is crude and feels "Head-Fi" & "audiophool", but can still be valid if you're using measurements to validate the changes.
Succumbed into posting a baiting diatribe now I see.
 
Succumbed into posting a baiting diatribe now I see.
A little bit, but your post was a bit "Head-Fi", so I took a bit of that edge you describe!
 
A little bit, but your post was a bit "Head-Fi" ...
Still argumentative posting on your part in segue from your prior authoritarian exhortations. If you have any pairs of those several thousand dollar electrostatic headphones do tell providing your reference basis.

For my part I researched electrostatic headphones plus read hundreds of internet posts by those with different makes and by chance came across mention by a collector of electrostatics specifying one old Superex model as having notable potential. Happenstance gave me the opportunity to buy the only one of those recently up for sale on-line. I'm retired with the patience to spend time carefully cleaning away the different ear cup sites of their age rotted foam. Having sufficient prior experience opening up headphones I decided what I wanted to do to modify the Superex ear cups interior. By midnight they had bias energized enough to stream Sadao Watanabe melodic jazz live saxophone whereupon my foot tapping, torso swaying and closed eyes head rocking kept up until 2:30 in the morning. Every day/night since then these 50 year old electrostatic design Superex's have kept me enthralled for 2-3 hour long listening sessions I am hesitant to break off. I listen to older decades' melodic jazz and know my playlists well over planar magnetic headphones so am quite able to independently discern that the musicality of my recently modified electrostatics is fine in the context of my ears' age related hearing loss. Best $100 (plus tax/shipping) I spent in a long time receiving more rewarding hours already of enjoyment in exchange than the single evening I spent reviving them!
 
I don't find comments like "you sound like a head-fier" adds much to the discussion. I'm more concerned that a product that's no longer made makes it difficult to recommend.
 
Let's reign in the back and forth please and not get overly critical of someone expressing their satisfaction from a project. Not my cup of tea but different strokes and all that.
 
Still argumentative posting on your part in segue from your prior authoritarian exhortations. If you have any pairs of those several thousand dollar electrostatic headphones do tell providing your reference basis.

For my part I researched electrostatic headphones plus read hundreds of internet posts by those with different makes and by chance came across mention by a collector of electrostatics specifying one old Superex model as having notable potential. Happenstance gave me the opportunity to buy the only one of those recently up for sale on-line. I'm retired with the patience to spend time carefully cleaning away the different ear cup sites of their age rotted foam. Having sufficient prior experience opening up headphones I decided what I wanted to do to modify the Superex ear cups interior. By midnight they had bias energized enough to stream Sadao Watanabe melodic jazz live saxophone whereupon my foot tapping, torso swaying and closed eyes head rocking kept up until 2:30 in the morning. Every day/night since then these 50 year old electrostatic design Superex's have kept me enthralled for 2-3 hour long listening sessions I am hesitant to break off. I listen to older decades' melodic jazz and know my playlists well over planar magnetic headphones so am quite able to independently discern that the musicality of my recently modified electrostatics is fine in the context of my ears' age related hearing loss. Best $100 (plus tax/shipping) I spent in a long time receiving more rewarding hours already of enjoyment in exchange than the single evening I spent reviving them!
Let's reign in the back and forth please and not get overly critical of someone expressing their satisfaction from a project. Not my cup of tea but different strokes and all that.
Yeah, ok, will do, I suppose I wanted to express "the lack of scientific approach" or "logic", but yeah for sure it's no problem he brought back some old electrostats to somekind of life. So I will leave it be.
 
Today I bought a used pair of Focal Clear OGs for a reasonable price - but they came with a spare pair of pads and looked in good condition upon inspection. I gave it a little listen via the seller's DAP and could hear no issues. Upon getting them home I noticed a slight rattle / buzz in lower frequences at my usual listening volumes - I would have to guess around 80db. I decided to use a tone generator and from 200hz down it became really obvious there was a buzz, but it was actually from both sides. I double checked it wasn't my Amp (Topping A90D) or DAC (Gustard X16) by trying a few other headphones and the buzz went away. I'm not sure whether this is the famous Focal clipping or not.

This isn't very scientific, but my PC's signal is at 100%, my DAC is at 100% and my headphone amp is at 70/100 (low gain). When I put the tone generator at anything above 20% I can hear the buzz gradually get louder.

Thankfully in music it isn't too distracting, but regardless it's a little annoying considering otherwise they're in great condition.
 
Today I bought a used pair of Focal Clear OGs for a reasonable price - but they came with a spare pair of pads and looked in good condition upon inspection. I gave it a little listen via the seller's DAP and could hear no issues. Upon getting them home I noticed a slight rattle / buzz in lower frequences at my usual listening volumes - I would have to guess around 80db. I decided to use a tone generator and from 200hz down it became really obvious there was a buzz, but it was actually from both sides. I double checked it wasn't my Amp (Topping A90D) or DAC (Gustard X16) by trying a few other headphones and the buzz went away. I'm not sure whether this is the famous Focal clipping or not.

This isn't very scientific, but my PC's signal is at 100%, my DAC is at 100% and my headphone amp is at 70/100 (low gain). When I put the tone generator at anything above 20% I can hear the buzz gradually get louder.

Thankfully in music it isn't too distracting, but regardless it's a little annoying considering otherwise they're in great condition.
@solderdude , what do you reckon to this one, I know you know a lot about drivers, etc. Maybe both drivers have been played too loud at one point & have become busted, or there's something loose somewhere in both earcups, or is there a hair touching the drivers in both cups??
 
For traveling I was planning to buy Focal Hadenys. But they are to small (have testet them) for my head :-(

What could be an alternative?

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Torben
 
@Robbo99999

Probably the assumed listening level is not 80dB but where the clipping occurs.
80dB is just 0.1mW so unlikely to clip.
Probably not damaged drivers nor hairs either as it happens on both channels.
Maybe digital clipping or something else. No way to tell from here.
For traveling I was planning to buy Focal Hadenys. But they are to small (have testet them) for my head :-(

What could be an alternative?

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Torben
AA Hi-X60 has large pads and can be driven from a phone.
 
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@Robbo99999

Probably the assumed listening level is not 80dB but where the clipping occurs.
80dB is just 0.1mW so unlikely to clip.
Probably not damaged drivers nor hairs either as it happens on both channels.
Maybe digital clipping or something else. No way to tell from here.

AA Hi-X60 has large pads and can be driven from a phone.

THX @solderdude - Will look into them. I will use iBasso DC07 Pro with the new travel headphones.

Torben
 
AKG K701
AKG K712
AKG K812
Audio-Technica A2000Z
Beyerdynamic DT 880 600 Ohm
Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro
Beyerdynamic DT 990 Edition
Beyerdynamic DT1990
Beyerdynamic T1.3
Beyerdynamic DT 900 Pro X
Denon AH-D7200
Focal Elegia
Grado RS2x
Grado "The White"
Hifiman HE6SE V2
Hifiman Arya Stealth
Ollo Audio S4X
Meze 99 Classic
Meze Empyrean
Rhode NTH-100
Philips Fidelio X1, X2 and X3
Sennheiser HD 600
Sennheiser HD 660S2
Sennheiser Momentum 4
Teufel Real Blue Pro
Valco VMK25

And yes, I am insane.
 
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