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What cables do you use in your systems?
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I barely see how you're joking aside.
Yep, definitely the right forum to learn from mistake: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...from-audiophile-snake-oil-facepalm-time.9950/Or...the right forum! Depending on your trajectory through this hobby
A quote " a cable can't make a bad system good , but a bad cable in a good system.... " well you figure out the rest .
For every cable bought i auditioned at least 5 , cable's can't add they only take . I'm just searching for the least taker at lowest price.. as with all my gear, as probably many of this forum members
For every cable bought i auditioned at least 5 , cable's can't add they only take . I'm just searching for the least taker at lowest price.. as with all my gear, as probably many of this forum members
This is an easy problem to solve, this simple device will route out bad cables. You can even jiggle them to look for intermittent problemsA quote " a cable can't make a bad system good , but a bad cable in a good system.... " well you figure out the rest .
For every cable bought i auditioned at least 5 , cable's can't add they only take . I'm just searching for the least taker at lowest price.. as with all my gear, as probably many of this forum members
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...KHig9lLlCnJfOcuGbgxoCCSQQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I wasn’t joking. I guess you could also use a multimeter on the ohm setting to make sure the resistance is low but hard to test for intermittency with handheld probes.Nice piece, have something similar in my recording studio..
Mr funny guy
I find black or grey work well for balanced analog signals while the blue ones are best for digital.
While I can confirm black ones indeed work fine for balanced analog signals I never tried the blue ones on digital signals.
As digital signals are very sensitive I tried my best to avoid them running through external cables.
Some of the blue ones have the right characteristic impedance 110 Ohms for AES and 75 Ohms for SPDIF.
these are what I use , they are expensive at about $1/ft but worth it for peace of mind.
http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=66
Yep, sure thing.
Doesn't seem like it, regarding the audiophile cable manufacturers you mentioned.
That's probably where you don't get the point. ASR members don't audition 5 cables before buying one. In fact, they don't audition cable at all.
Since this is a science-based forum, we just have to choose ones measuring good enough (literally MANY cables). Then, the cable may be picked based on build quality (and "design"?), flexibility, shielding if needed etc.
As far as I'm concerned, I see no cable better built, nor better measuring, than ones from Canare, Mogami or Belden.
Needless to say, and before we go there: your audition of such products worth nothing since:
- I'm pretty sure your audition was sighted. So you were only listening your expectations of each cables. To validate such listening, tests have to be done blind. And magically, differences disappear... because they didn't exist in the first place.
- There's no way you hear any real difference between, say, two properly designed cables of any kind. If there is any (it may), then that mean one cable is dramatically broken (literally or by design).
Welcome aboard!
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Well since you only listen to white noise and singular sinus waves at specific khz(science) i can certainly understand that any lamp cord will do
I like music and i like Hans beekhuyzen said " i can hear difference, if you don't good for you "
In the matter of " audiophile cable brands" it's mostly bulk from audiophonics in France ,Neotech is a good quality low cost cable, supra have their factory 5 minutes from were i live . With that said, i borrow from friends and retailer to compare and if i hear difference well that's my ears and I'm happy
Science and perception in audio are 2 sides of the same coin i choose to look at both!
I like music
and i like Hans beekhuyzen said " i can hear difference, if you don't good for you " In the matter of " audiophile cable brands" it's mostly bulk from audiophonics in France ,Neotech is a good quality low cost cable, supra have their factory 5 minutes from were i live . With that said, i borrow from friends and retailer to compare and if i hear difference well that's my ears and I'm happy
Science and perception in audio are 2 sides of the same coin i choose to look at both!
I thought a bit like that until I retired 10 years ago and had more time.Well since you only listen to white noise and singular sinus waves at specific khz(science) i can certainly understand that any lamp cord will do
I like music
In the matter of " audiophile cable brands" it's mostly bulk from audiophonics in France ,Neotech is a good quality low cost cable, supra have their factory 5 minutes from were i live . With that said, i borrow from friends and retailer to compare and if i hear difference well that's my ears and I'm happy
Science and perception in audio are 2 sides of the same coin i choose to look at both!
I have always preferred listening to music than testing equipment and was too busy to test properly. I tended to take advice and read reviews and do tests which I thought were fine at the time but were quick and perfunctory.
Suddenly left with lots of free time I decided to do some level matched blind testing, originally on speaker cables, then interconnects and DACs with my daughter changing things over so I didn't know what I was listening to.
I found the only cables which sounded different were those with in line filters (MIT and Goldmund) otherwise the differences I was sure were there were not. Level matched and not knowing what I was listening to expelled the myths.
In fact, it isn't that surprising since there is no technical characteristic of a properly specified cable which could alter anything at audio frequencies and currents. What was a surprise at the time was hearing no difference between high end DACs and the DAC section of a quality ADC/DAC recorder. Again, though, a quick look at the specification shows any differences are below the level I can hear.
I really hate dicking about with the kit rather than listening to music so these discoveries were a breath of fresh air.
I hear differences between my 4 record players and speaker positions in the room but I don't bother expecting to hear difference with anything else any more.
I like music
Quoting Hans Beekhuyzen shows that you don't really look at (or understand) the science, but sure, believe what you choose to believe. ARS is about science...
I listen to music as any member here. By the way, that's not how cables are measured...
Neotech is nothing close to low cost. You need to adjust perspectives here...
What @Julf just said. Hans is not a reference for anybody here. Quite the opposite, in fact.I like music
That is where you're wrong. Believing to hear a difference ≠ hearing a difference. Again, do some blind test, come back tell what you really heard. I suggest you check many threads talking about psychoacoustics, expectation bias, placebo etc.With that said, i borrow from friends and retailer to compare and if i hear difference well that's my ears and I'm happy
You mean hundreds of years ago?... Such claims won't give you any credit. I suggest you read and learn before doing such nonsense analogies.
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Yep, I'm only in tier 4 territory at this very moment.Is there a tool to measure the aggressivity in the post exchanges ?
In fact, they don't audition cable at all.
Would be like auditioning forks to see which one makes the food taste best.
Uh huh...
ça promet ...Yep, I'm only in tier 4 territory at this very moment.
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