What budget speakers you like to see reviewed?

[YogiN]

Welcome Yogi and thanks for sharing the Interesting and educational video! Watched the second best speaker video too. Had not seen the ”best speaker” video before but PE has sold the transducers for a while. I really did not have a good wall to try them on and my wife would not tolerate the wire on the wall either! Using ceiling panel material as a diaphragm and turning it around makes it a bit more palatable.

Have you built some of these? They seem a bit delicate and you live much closer to Amir than I. Keep in mind, he is swamped with speaker testing requests and these are rather unconventional. For that matter, given their nature, not sure the spinorama would be meaningful?

Ya, my GF sees them as a blank canvas and is interested in painting them. His first $30 panel speaker video mentions that the Styrofoam panels can be spray painted as long as the there's enough distance, 9" I believe but check for yourself. It seems that if you hold the spray nozzle too close to the surface the chemicals don't have the time to disburse and eat away at the Styrofoam.
I have not built them and admittedly I lack much confidence in my DIY-FU.

Thanks for the kind words. On that video, commercial versions of those speakers have existed for a long time. They are OK if you don't push them in bass. Their main use is to build "invisible" speakers where they are blended into drywall, or wood cabinets. There is an AES paper where they computed their preference scores and they were really bad.

They are put in there to help with that so would be good to measure.

Agreed on the bass. I wonder why the video made no mention of supplementing with a sub/s. Would you measure them with and without a sub? And would you need all eight panels for measurement?

 

[Thomas_A]

I have to skip lunch to afford that one....

If I donate half your lunch?

 

[StevenEleven]

I have a feeling the Sony SSCS5s might kick the Pioneer SP-BS22s butts, as much as I love the Pioneers. I think Sony was trying really hard, and used a slightly higher long-term price point as a goal. And had the benefit of going second. Would love to see a WWF Smackdown.

 

[GGroch]

I have a feeling the Sony SSCS5s might kick the Pioneer SP-BS22s butts..

Good suggestion. I have never heard them, but I have heard a lot of very good things about them. They have never sold that well because they lack a coherent sales story. But, in the past Sony has made some excellent speakers designed using science and I agree they undoubtably used the SP-BS22s as a starting point. . My guess is they would outperform their price point.[/QUOTE]

 

[maxxevv]

Ya, my GF sees them as a blank canvas and is interested in painting them. His first $30 panel speaker video mentions that the Styrofoam panels can be spray painted as long as the there's enough distance, 9" I believe but check for yourself. It seems that if you hold the spray nozzle too close to the surface the chemicals don't have the time to disburse and eat away at the Styrofoam.
I have not built them and admittedly I lack much confidence in my DIY-FU.

If you want to spray onto styrofoam, go to a modeling hobby shop and get some plastic safe spray paint instead.

Or a specialist art supply house for similar.

 

[Head_Unit]

If nobody mentioned yet, #1 on the list with a bullet has GOT to be this thing
https://www.parts-express.com/dayto...kshelf-speaker-with-amt-tweeter-pair--300-651
Good comments and so so cheap...and quite possibly nicer than one would possibly think. THEN it would be really interesting to add internal bracing, stuffing, anti-vibration coating inside the cabinet and the woofer basket, and see if any measurements change (I might expect impedance resonance kinks to decrease; other sonic effects I don't think would show up in measurements well...unless you ran long impulse response or cepstrum analysis...)

 

[amirm]

If nobody mentioned yet, #1 on the list with a bullet has GOT to be this thing
https://www.parts-express.com/dayto...kshelf-speaker-with-amt-tweeter-pair--300-651
Good comments and so so cheap...and quite possibly nicer than one would possibly think. THEN it would be really interesting to add internal bracing, stuffing, anti-vibration coating inside the cabinet and the woofer basket, and see if any measurements change (I might expect impedance resonance kinks to decrease; other sonic effects I don't think would show up in measurements well...unless you ran long impulse response or cepstrum analysis...)

I have not one, but two pairs of this! Someone sent me a pair and I forgot to check and bought another pair myself.

Maybe I test all four of them stacked on top of each other!

 

[Crane]

Gotta second those Adam A5X.

Also, when are we seeing those salons measured

 

[amirm]

Also, when are we seeing those salons measured

There is spin data on them already. So measuring them would just be for confirmation, not new data.

Right now, half the house is taken over by boxes of speakers, and large audio electronics. I need to get through them before I even think about lugging these monsters down the floor and onto a stand 5 foot high from the floor. I also need to build an auxiliary base to put them there as what is there is too small (6 inches by 6 inches).

 

[sweetchaos]

Right now, half the house is taken over by boxes of speakers

How many speakers would you say you have? Approx. number is okay. Curious to see how much backlog you have.

 

[MZKM]

I have not one, but two pairs of this! Someone sent me a pair and I forgot to check and bought another pair myself.

Maybe I test all four of them stacked on top of each other!

For such a low price, it would be actually amazing if you measured 1 using the full spin, and then all 4 with just on-axis (or full spin), so that we can see what kind of deviations owners can expect across models.

There is spin data on them already. So measuring them would just be for confirmation, not new data.

Seeing what preference score it would attain would be interesting.
As mentioned earlier, I was able to fix the error for calculating NBD_PIR (counting slope as a deviation), but since Olive’s documentation doesn’t say to make this adjustment (it makes a slope adjustment for Smoothness, which does absolutely nothing, as it equally effects the numerator and denominator of the fraction), it has been suggested to not include the fix until there is confirmation from Olive (but I don’t see any reason why this fix shouldn’t be added).

 

[hege]

Can someone dropship one piece to Amir, is it still budget then?

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HR5--ocean-way-audio-hr5-2-way-7-inch-powered-studio-monitor

 

[igorpadrao]

If possible, please do a review of the Edifiers passive speakers. There almost nothing on them through the internet and they are possible gems to be discovered.

Edifier P12
https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-Pass..._1?keywords=edifier+p12&qid=1581280193&sr=8-1

https://www.edifier.com/us/en/speakers/p12-passive-bookshelf-speakers


Edifier P17
https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-P17-..._2?keywords=edifier+p12&qid=1581280193&sr=8-2

https://www.edifier.com/us/en/speakers/p17-passive-bookshelf-speakers-receivers-amplifiers

 

[Haint]

Though they are not necessarily of particular interest to me, in terms of utility to the audio community as a whole, my vote would be to give precedence to the "big box" brands/models that overwhelmingly seem to be the most recommended and most popular models in terms of volume. I'd say that'd be the:

Elac Bx.2's
Sony Core's
Klipsch's Reference and Reference Premier
KEF Qx50's
SVS Prime and Ultra
B&W 6000's
Jamo's

 

[bobbooo]

There are some challenges for measuring subs. If they are down-firing, then I have to build a new platform to put them. I need to do that anyway but just not ready. That aside, I can easily measure their frequency response. Testing other factors becomes a different project. Is the frequency response useful?

Yes, if the ~20% contribution to preference of LFQ (Low Frequency Quality i.e. deviations in bass frequency response above the LFX point) in Sean Olive's initial preference formula is anything to go by.

 

[amirm]

How many speakers would you say you have? Approx. number is okay. Curious to see how much backlog you have.

I have not counted. I would guess 5 to 10 right now.

 

[amirm]

For such a low price, it would be actually amazing if you measured 1 using the full spin, and then all 4 with just on-axis (or full spin), so that we can see what kind of deviations owners can expect across models.

I have one measured which I will post tomorrow. Question is whether it is worth wear and tear on a $100,000 measurement system to measure the rest of them!

Maybe I try half spin on them.....

 

[MZKM]

I have one measured which I will post tomorrow. Question is whether it is worth wear and tear on a $100,000 measurement system to measure the rest of them!

Maybe I try half spin on them.....

Just remembered that phase could also be a factor in terms of performance as a pair. If the phase of the left speaker is very different than the right‘s, then some cancellations will happen.

I am going to assume besides difference in FR, the spin data should be near identical, as I don’t think the off-axis characteristics of the drivers would change too much in regards to unit-to-unit variance. But hey, if you want to...

 

[bigx5murf]

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15952

These have come down in price significantly, and they've got a unique cabinet porting system.

 

[morespinach]

I'd love to see Kanto TUK and Edifier S3000Pro. Both active/powered. While they're not quite budget (800 USD or so, both), they're nearly audiophile grade sound for a fraction of the price of gear needed for similar sound.

(For Edifier, I keep seeing R1280, which is sad. They get interesting at R2000DB and upwards...the S2000 Pro was stellar, but now with the S3000Pro I find the lower-end is finally deep enough to be a true contender for serious soundhogs among us.)