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Wharfedale Super Linton still a bit too fresh/bright for me, would the Linton 85 be more relaxed?

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Hi everyone,

I’m very sensitive to treble and upper-midrange energy. I tend to react quickly to speakers that sound too fresh, open, forward, or bright in that area. At the moment I have the Wharfedale Super Linton at home.

Overall, I do like them. They sound clean, refined, and definitely more relaxed than some speakers I had before. So I’m not saying they are harsh or aggressive. But for my personal taste, they still sound a little too fresh/bright overall.

What I’m missing is a bit more warmth, roundness, and softness in the upper mids/treble. I still find myself paying attention to brightness, presence, or sibilance instead of just relaxing and enjoying the music.

I’m not looking for maximum detail or perfect neutrality. My main goal is simply easy, relaxed long-term listening, even with normal or slightly brighter recordings.

Before this, I had the Heco Aurora 700, which were clearly too bright and fatiguing for me in the long run. The Super Linton are already a step in the right direction, but maybe still not quite relaxed enough for my ears.

So my main question is:

Are the classic Wharfedale Linton 85 noticeably warmer, softer, and more relaxed than the Super Linton in real-world listening?

I often read that the Linton 85 sound a bit rounder, softer, more laid-back and “polite”, while the Super Linton are more open, clearer, and more modern sounding. Maybe that extra openness of the Super Linton is exactly what still bothers me due to my treble sensitivity.

What matters most to me is:

  • less freshness in the upper mids/treble
  • relaxed long-term listening
  • softer sibilance
  • more warm/round than open/analytical
  • enjoyable sound even with brighter recordings
  • no constant feeling that I have to tame the speaker with EQ
My listening distance is around 3.7 m. I sit fairly close to the back wall and use a Denon AVR-X4800H.

The speakers are positioned about 30 cm from the front wall, measured from the rear of the speakers. The room is not empty or overly reflective. I have a thick carpet, a large fabric couch, and 10 Basotect absorbers measuring roughly 10 x 50 x 100 cm. So there is already some damping in the room, but the Super Linton still sound a little too fresh and present to me.

I have also experimented with toe-in and toe-out, but changing the angle of the speakers does not seem to change the upper mids or treble very much in my room. Whether they are aimed more directly at the listening position or placed straighter, the overall freshness/presence remains.

I have already experimented with room correction and EQ, but I would prefer not to constantly fight against the basic character of the speaker.

So, directly asked:

Could the Linton 85 be the more relaxed choice for someone like me, if the Super Linton are already better but still a bit too fresh/bright? Or is the difference rather small in practice, and should I look for an even warmer, softer speaker instead?

I’d be very grateful for honest experiences, especially from people who have heard both models or are also sensitive to treble.
 
EQ is your best friend, seriously. Your ears have specific demands and it doesn't make much sense to try one pair of speakers after another and still not being satisfied, rather than finding out where your sensitivities lie and just tone down these areas.
 
Are the classic Wharfedale Linton 85 noticeably warmer, softer, and more relaxed than the Super Linton in real-world listening?
There is zero difference in treble between them:
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The best way to remove the extra brightness is to apply Parametric EQ:
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A single Peaking filter at 6400Hz, -2.0dB, Q 0.5 takes care of it nicely.
 
Could someone maybe help me create a good WiiM PEQ based on this measurement?

I have been trying Dirac for quite some time now, but I just can’t seem to create a target curve that sounds right to me. I actually prefer working with the PEQ in the WiiM Ultra, because the results somehow seem more natural and more enjoyable to me than with Dirac.

Bass is not really the issue for me. I can get the bass under control quite easily with PEQ. What I struggle with is somewhere in the midrange or treble. There is always something that still bothers me, but I can’t quite identify the exact area.

My goal is not maximum neutrality or detail. I would like a warmer, rounder, darker and softer sound with less upper-midrange/treble presence. The Super Linton already sound better and more relaxed than my previous speakers, but they are still a little too fresh/present for my taste.

Would anyone be able to suggest a sensible WiiM PEQ starting point based on this measurement, especially for the midrange/treble area?
 

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Could someone maybe help me create a good WiiM PEQ based on this measurement?

I have been trying Dirac for quite some time now, but I just can’t seem to create a target curve that sounds right to me. I actually prefer working with the PEQ in the WiiM Ultra, because the results somehow seem more natural and more enjoyable to me than with Dirac.

Bass is not really the issue for me. I can get the bass under control quite easily with PEQ. What I struggle with is somewhere in the midrange or treble. There is always something that still bothers me, but I can’t quite identify the exact area.

My goal is not maximum neutrality or detail. I would like a warmer, rounder, darker and softer sound with less upper-midrange/treble presence. The Super Linton already sound better and more relaxed than my previous speakers, but they are still a little too fresh/present for my taste.

Would anyone be able to suggest a sensible WiiM PEQ starting point based on this measurement, especially for the midrange/treble area?
Apply the filter from my last post to fix the Super Linton's treble.

The remaining filters you can use to cut bass peaks below ~400Hz by following this rough guide:

Once the room modes are taken care of, you can add a Low Shelf filter at 110Hz, Q 0.71 where you adjust the gain to preference.
>0dB to add bass, <0dB to remove bass.

That's all you have to do for great sound.
 
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The super Linton NEEDS to be placed CLOSE to the front wall for correct balance because it is tuned this way. The regular Linton is tuned to be some distance away from the front wall. If the regular one sounds warm and round then perhaps it is a little too close to the wall for proper balance (often the case).

Also, speakers that are polite sounding typically have a notch centered at around 3KHz. High treble really doesn't dictate brightness.
 
Wären diese beiden Filter auf Grundlage meiner Messungen ein sinnvoller Ausgangspunkt?

PK
38 Hz
-6,0 dB
Q 4,00

PK
6,40 kHz
-2,0 dB
Q 0,50

Der 38-Hz-Filter dient hauptsächlich der Behebung von Raummoden- bzw. Tiefbassproblemen. Normalerweise bekomme ich den Bass mit einem parametrischen Equalizer (PEQ) gut in den Griff, bin aber dennoch offen für Verbesserungsvorschläge, falls Ihnen in meinen Messungen etwas auffällt, das im Bassbereich optimiert werden könnte.

Mein Hauptproblem liegt jedoch nicht im Bassbereich, sondern eher im Mittel-/Obermittel-/Höhenbereich. Der Super Linton klingt für mich immer noch etwas zu frisch und präsent, obwohl die Messwerte nicht übermäßig brillant erscheinen.

Mein Ziel ist ein wärmerer, runderer, dunklerer und weicherer Klang mit weniger Präsenz.

Würden Sie basierend auf meinen Messungen zunächst nur die breite 6,4-kHz-Absenkung ausprobieren oder sehen Sie Hinweise auf einen anderen Bereich, beispielsweise um 2–4 kHz? Und falls Sie eine bessere Möglichkeit zur Bassbearbeitung kennen, wäre ich Ihnen natürlich auch für entsprechende Vorschläge dankbar.
 
Wären diese beiden Filter auf Grundlage meiner Messungen ein sinnvoller Ausgangspunkt?

PK
38 Hz
-6,0 dB
Q 4,00

PK
6,40 kHz
-2,0 dB
Q 0,50

Der 38-Hz-Filter dient hauptsächlich der Behebung von Raummoden- bzw. Tiefbassproblemen. Normalerweise bekomme ich den Bass mit einem parametrischen Equalizer (PEQ) gut in den Griff, bin aber dennoch offen für Verbesserungsvorschläge, falls Ihnen in meinen Messungen etwas auffällt, das im Bassbereich optimiert werden könnte.

Mein Hauptproblem liegt jedoch nicht im Bassbereich, sondern eher im Mittel-/Obermittel-/Höhenbereich. Der Super Linton klingt für mich immer noch etwas zu frisch und präsent, obwohl die Messwerte nicht übermäßig brillant erscheinen.

Mein Ziel ist ein wärmerer, runderer, dunklerer und weicherer Klang mit weniger Präsenz.

Würden Sie basierend auf meinen Messungen zunächst nur die breite 6,4-kHz-Absenkung ausprobieren oder sehen Sie Hinweise auf einen anderen Bereich, beispielsweise um 2–4 kHz? Und falls Sie eine bessere Möglichkeit zur Bassbearbeitung kennen, wäre ich Ihnen natürlich auch für entsprechende Vorschläge dankbar.
All of your questions I've already answered above:

There I've noted a "bessere Möglichkeit zur Bassbearbeitung", as well as voiced my opinion that besides bass, the 6400Hz filter is all that's required. Nothing around 2-4kHz.

Btw, please use English on ASR, as it is an international forum.
 
Sorry, I just realized that I accidentally posted in German. The forum is automatically translated on my side, so I didn’t notice it immediately.

Thank you for pointing that out, and sorry for the confusion. I will make sure to post in English from now on.
 
Before you do much else I’d put them closer to the wall. By at least half; you may need a bit more (or less).

It’s the easiest and quickest thing to try.
 
I haven't heard either speaker....

You've tried lots of repositioning, so it's not that.

Personally, I've always hated EQ or tone controls simply because once I start with them I never find a universally acceptable setting, for my many thousands of tracks. I can end up hardly noticing the music in favour of twiddling about.

I'm not bothered with room EQ and dirca stuff either for similar reasons (yes I know it's set once and forget, but I sit in various places in the room, lie, slouch etc and I suspect the sound can be made worse depending on where my head is).

All the graphs are largely bunkum once speakers are deployed in your particular room. Having said that I can't se anything makes me think your speakers are inherently too bright, so maybe it is the room, and maybe EQ will work well, but I like keeping things simple and cheap.

So, to your issue, I'd honestly look at different speakers. You be best off finding a seller who will let you demo various speakers at home. If not possible, go to a store, maybe like a Richer Sounds and listen to a few - sure, the speakers will not sound the same in your own room, but they will let you bring your speakers along so you can try an A-B test in their room with the same music. It might be enough to help you choose.
 
Hi everyone,

I’m very sensitive to treble and upper-midrange energy. I tend to react quickly to speakers that sound too fresh, open, forward, or bright in that area. At the moment I have the Wharfedale Super Linton at home.

Overall, I do like them. They sound clean, refined, and definitely more relaxed than some speakers I had before. So I’m not saying they are harsh or aggressive. But for my personal taste, they still sound a little too fresh/bright overall.

What I’m missing is a bit more warmth, roundness, and softness in the upper mids/treble. I still find myself paying attention to brightness, presence, or sibilance instead of just relaxing and enjoying the music.

I’m not looking for maximum detail or perfect neutrality. My main goal is simply easy, relaxed long-term listening, even with normal or slightly brighter recordings.

Before this, I had the Heco Aurora 700, which were clearly too bright and fatiguing for me in the long run. The Super Linton are already a step in the right direction, but maybe still not quite relaxed enough for my ears.

So my main question is:

Are the classic Wharfedale Linton 85 noticeably warmer, softer, and more relaxed than the Super Linton in real-world listening?

I often read that the Linton 85 sound a bit rounder, softer, more laid-back and “polite”, while the Super Linton are more open, clearer, and more modern sounding. Maybe that extra openness of the Super Linton is exactly what still bothers me due to my treble sensitivity.

What matters most to me is:

  • less freshness in the upper mids/treble
  • relaxed long-term listening
  • softer sibilance
  • more warm/round than open/analytical
  • enjoyable sound even with brighter recordings
  • no constant feeling that I have to tame the speaker with EQ
My listening distance is around 3.7 m. I sit fairly close to the back wall and use a Denon AVR-X4800H.

The speakers are positioned about 30 cm from the front wall, measured from the rear of the speakers. The room is not empty or overly reflective. I have a thick carpet, a large fabric couch, and 10 Basotect absorbers measuring roughly 10 x 50 x 100 cm. So there is already some damping in the room, but the Super Linton still sound a little too fresh and present to me.

I have also experimented with toe-in and toe-out, but changing the angle of the speakers does not seem to change the upper mids or treble very much in my room. Whether they are aimed more directly at the listening position or placed straighter, the overall freshness/presence remains.

I have already experimented with room correction and EQ, but I would prefer not to constantly fight against the basic character of the speaker.

So, directly asked:

Could the Linton 85 be the more relaxed choice for someone like me, if the Super Linton are already better but still a bit too fresh/bright? Or is the difference rather small in practice, and should I look for an even warmer, softer speaker instead?

I’d be very grateful for honest experiences, especially from people who have heard both models or are also sensitive to treble.
I wouldn’t waste money if you’re happy with the bass and midrange balance you already have with the Supers.

To get an idea (only comparitive rather than absolute) wear headphones and have a listen to:-

The SL’s have a less coloured treble than the Linton 85th, but I don’t think either is more laid back. The 85th’s have way more thunder than the SLs which can be hard to tame when fitting in with placement aesthetics.

I have the Linton 85th, and have resorted to experimentation taming the strident treble without resorting to eq. Eq does actually work though, if you choose that route eventually.
Based on Erin’s (Audio Corner fame) comments about how he’d lower the X-over freq of tweeter, and very little measured Harmon-curve hf droop, I’ve temporarily installed a 12ohm resister in series with the tweeter and removed the metal mesh grills over the tweeters which now look more like the SL’s tweeters. The treble is generally less glassy (4-5kHz peakiness) and slightly more delicate at my listening posn. Most of my issues are the listening environment though. The effect of the higher load impedance now seen by the x-over is also a slight lowering of the tweeter’s start frequency as per Erin’s suggestion.

If you’re handy with a putty knife (to prize off the rectangular tweeter trim plate) and have hex keys, spending less than $5 on resisters is preferable to downgrading (in my opinion only).
And yes, it’s not very scientific but we each aim for a sound we like long-term and these spkrs are VERY close for me. I suspect growing up in an era where we mostly listened to parent’s systems with Loudness Compensation switches on, that has an influence on what we like to nostalgically hear!

You already have the better speaker.

Please Amir, if you ever get the opportunity to measure the Linton 85ths, we might see something different and unexpected. They’re still very popular speakers and outstanding value so the interest is likely still there.
Eg, Your measurements of LS50 Originals reflect what I hear, when other’s measurements gloss over peaks making them look better than they sound to me.
 
Hi everyone,

I’m very sensitive to treble and upper-midrange energy. I tend to react quickly to speakers that sound too fresh, open, forward, or bright in that area. At the moment I have the Wharfedale Super Linton at home.

Overall, I do like them. They sound clean, refined, and definitely more relaxed than some speakers I had before. So I’m not saying they are harsh or aggressive. But for my personal taste, they still sound a little too fresh/bright overall.

What I’m missing is a bit more warmth, roundness, and softness in the upper mids/treble. I still find myself paying attention to brightness, presence, or sibilance instead of just relaxing and enjoying the music.

I’m not looking for maximum detail or perfect neutrality. My main goal is simply easy, relaxed long-term listening, even with normal or slightly brighter recordings.

Before this, I had the Heco Aurora 700, which were clearly too bright and fatiguing for me in the long run. The Super Linton are already a step in the right direction, but maybe still not quite relaxed enough for my ears.

So my main question is:

Are the classic Wharfedale Linton 85 noticeably warmer, softer, and more relaxed than the Super Linton in real-world listening?

I often read that the Linton 85 sound a bit rounder, softer, more laid-back and “polite”, while the Super Linton are more open, clearer, and more modern sounding. Maybe that extra openness of the Super Linton is exactly what still bothers me due to my treble sensitivity.

What matters most to me is:

  • less freshness in the upper mids/treble
  • relaxed long-term listening
  • softer sibilance
  • more warm/round than open/analytical
  • enjoyable sound even with brighter recordings
  • no constant feeling that I have to tame the speaker with EQ
My listening distance is around 3.7 m. I sit fairly close to the back wall and use a Denon AVR-X4800H.

The speakers are positioned about 30 cm from the front wall, measured from the rear of the speakers. The room is not empty or overly reflective. I have a thick carpet, a large fabric couch, and 10 Basotect absorbers measuring roughly 10 x 50 x 100 cm. So there is already some damping in the room, but the Super Linton still sound a little too fresh and present to me.

I have also experimented with toe-in and toe-out, but changing the angle of the speakers does not seem to change the upper mids or treble very much in my room. Whether they are aimed more directly at the listening position or placed straighter, the overall freshness/presence remains.

I have already experimented with room correction and EQ, but I would prefer not to constantly fight against the basic character of the speaker.

So, directly asked:

Could the Linton 85 be the more relaxed choice for someone like me, if the Super Linton are already better but still a bit too fresh/bright? Or is the difference rather small in practice, and should I look for an even warmer, softer speaker instead?

I’d be very grateful for honest experiences, especially from people who have heard both models or are also sensitive to treble.
According to your profile, you are an relatively young in this hobby compared to the stereotypical demographics.

But yet you are using a lot of these legacy, audio adjectives/jargons to describe subjective sound, such adjectives/jargons are historically used by objective focused audiophiles.

I encourage you to not used these legacy, audio adjectives/jargons to describe subjective sound as they have no real meaning to the majority of people, especially on a science and engineering focus forum, such as ASR.
 
Thank you all for the helpful replies.

I wanted to give a short update and also clarify where I am now.

The suggested 6.4 kHz peaking filter seems to be going in the right direction for me. For the first time, something in the sound that was bothering me seems to be reduced. It is still not perfect, but it is clearly a step in the right direction. So that was a very useful suggestion, and it makes me think that the Super Linton might actually be the right speaker for me after some careful adjustment.

At the moment, I am therefore not in a hurry to change speakers. I am more interested in optimising the Super Linton properly with placement and PEQ.

Regarding the terminology: I understand that words like “bright”, “fresh”, “warm” or “relaxed” are not very precise in a technical sense. I will try to describe it more technically where possible. What I probably mean is perceived excess energy somewhere in the upper mids / lower treble / treble region. But subjectively, those words are still the easiest way for me to describe what I hear.

About placement: the speakers are already about 30 cm from the front wall, measured from the rear of the speakers. My listening position is close to the rear wall, with a large couch behind me, some absorbers behind/around the listening area, and large moss wall pictures. So I am not sure what moving the speakers even closer to the front wall would change apart from the bass region, which is already strongly elevated in my room. But I understand the suggestion and may still try it step by step.

For the bass, I have so far mainly used a narrow filter around 38 Hz, because that is where the strongest peak is at my fixed listening position. The suggestion with the 110 Hz low shelf is very interesting to me, because it seems to address the overall bass balance more broadly instead of only attacking one narrow peak.

However, the correction around 38 Hz is still necessary in my room, because this is still the strongest room mode at my fixed listening position. So I think the question for me is not whether to use either the 110 Hz low shelf or the 38 Hz correction, but how to combine both in a sensible way.

I only listen from one fixed sweet spot. A different position, even just 10 cm away, is not really relevant for me. My goal is to optimise the sound specifically for this one position.

So my current plan is:

keep the 6.4 kHz peaking filter, because it already seems to help with the perceived brightness/presence

try the 110 Hz low shelf as a broader bass-balance correction

keep a correction around 38 Hz as well, because this is still the strongest room mode at my fixed listening position

I would be very grateful for any further practical PEQ suggestions based on this approach, especially regarding how to combine the 110 Hz low shelf with the 38 Hz room mode. Creating good filters is not that easy for me, so a simple step-by-step recommendation would be very helpful.

Thanks again. The advice here has already helped me a lot and has brought me much closer to keeping and optimising the Super Linton instead of immediately looking for different speakers.
 
I’m not fully convinced your issue is actually treble. Reading your description, it sounds more like a sensitivity in the upper mid / presence region around 1–2 kHz, which many people interpret as “brightness.”

At first I’d try a gentle broad EQ cut around 1.5–2 kHz and see whether that reduces the fatigue. You may be fighting the presence region rather than the tweeter itself
 
Regarding the terminology: I understand that words like “bright”, “fresh”, “warm” or “relaxed” are not very precise in a technical sense. I will try to describe it more technically where possible. What I probably mean is perceived excess energy somewhere in the upper mids / lower treble / treble region. But subjectively, those words are still the easiest way for me to describe what I hear.
This video is actually them making fun of folks using silly terms, but they disguised it as if they are trying to figure what these adjectives mean so they don't get people upset.

 
I would be very grateful for any further practical PEQ suggestions based on this approach, especially regarding how to combine the 110 Hz low shelf with the 38 Hz room mode.
This is exactly the approach I suggested above:

-Fix the treble with that 6400Hz filter
-Correct room modes with notch filters (e.g. 38Hz)
-adjust bass balance to taste, using a 110Hz Low Shelf

There is no need, or use, in somehow combining the last two.
You don't have to coordinate one with the other.

Simply handle these two separately, and it'll work out nicely.
That's part of what makes PEQ so great.

If I could suggest one improvement:

I doubt that 38Hz is the only room mode in your system. There are likely other bass peaks still remaining.

I'd suggest you capture your system's frequency response manually, using the Moving Microphone Method, in the software Room EQ Wizard.

This will definitively show all room mode peaks at your MLP, and with the built-in EQ function, you can quickly configure PEQ parameters which filter out the peaks.

Copy those parameters over to WiiM Home and you'll have a complete EQ presets, with Room correction + Speaker correction + bass balance adjustment.

Posted for the third time now, here's a rough guide on how to perform Moving Microphone Method measurements in REW:

Another guide is here:

Additionally, you can find many tutorial videos on YouTube.
 
Small update:

With the filters I am using now, the Super Linton sound better than ever in my room.

The sound is suddenly much smoother, more relaxed and more spacious. That really surprised me. For the first time, I feel like the annoying upper-midrange and treble area has been reduced enough that I can simply enjoy the music instead of constantly focusing on brightness, presence or sibilance.

It seems that the combination of the 6.4 kHz filter and the gentle reduction around 1.5–2 kHz was exactly the right direction for me.

I was honestly very close to selling them again. Now I can hardly believe how fantastic they sound. I don’t think I have ever heard anything this good in my life, at least not in my own room and for my own ears.

I will not change too much now and will listen to this preset for a while, but this is by far the best result I have had with these speakers so far.

Thank you again to everyone in this forum for the help. And also thank you to the manufacturer for creating such great speakers.
 
Small update:

With the filters I am using now, the Super Linton sound better than ever in my room.

The sound is suddenly much smoother, more relaxed and more spacious. That really surprised me. For the first time, I feel like the annoying upper-midrange and treble area has been reduced enough that I can simply enjoy the music instead of constantly focusing on brightness, presence or sibilance.

It seems that the combination of the 6.4 kHz filter and the gentle reduction around 1.5–2 kHz was exactly the right direction for me.

I was honestly very close to selling them again. Now I can hardly believe how fantastic they sound. I don’t think I have ever heard anything this good in my life, at least not in my own room and for my own ears.

I will not change too much now and will listen to this preset for a while, but this is by far the best result I have had with these speakers so far.

Thank you again to everyone in this forum for the help. And also thank you to the manufacturer for creating such great speakers.
It's interesting how often, anecdotally, people complain that Linton is a bright speaker, even though designers did a really good job on making speakers flat on-axis. My theory is that the reason is a combination of two factors: a wide tweeter without a waveguide and a large baffle, which behave slightly differently than typical tower or bookshelf ones, creating the narrowest directivity at 1000 Hz and then directivity rising thereafter. So, the whole high-midrange and low-tweeter region is a bit excessive.
plot-super-linton.png
Still, it is not that sensitive compared to speakers, which rise on-axis, and Lintons are very good speakers in general. I hope these equalization recommendations will help you to enjoy them.
 
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