Wharfedale Elysian 4

[ToPa]

Specifications:
Treble: 3.5" (90mm) Air Motion Transformer
Midrange: 6.0" (150mm) coated fiberglass matrix cone
Bass: 8.5" (220mm) coated fiberglass matrix cone
Nominal Impedance: 4Ω (compatible 8Ω )
Crossover Frequency: 360Hz, 2.9kHz
Frequency Response: 35Hz ~ 22kHz (+/-3dB)
Sensitivity: 89dB (2.83V @1m)
Recommended Amplifier Power: 25 - 250W
Weight: 67.2lbs
Dimensions (HxWxD) 27.6" x 13.1" x 17.0"

Treble: 3.5" (90mm) Air Motion Transformer
Price about the same as the other two drivers

 

[ToPa]

Wharfedale Elysian 2, Standlautfußsprecher, Wharfedale, Elysian 2,

Wharfedale Elysian 2, grandiose High End Lautsprecher mit AMT-Hochtöner vom autorisierten Wharfedale Händler in Hannover, Wharfedale-Shop,

www.highend-hifi-shop.de

Wharfedale Elysian

 

[ToPa]

Wharfedale Elysian 2

Jméno anglického výrobce reprosoustav Wharfedale je prorostlé světem hi-fi do takové hloubky, jako málokterá jiná značka – koneckonců, patří také mezi ty opravdu zasloužilé a navíc dnes patří pod křídla jednoho z gigantických oborových koncernů. Poslední dekády bylo ale jméno Wharfedale hlavně...

www.hifi-voice.com

 

[ToPa]

Wharfedale Elysian series is very expensive High-End speaker, but they use the cheapest Scanspeak Discovery series which does not cost very much, I bought Elysian 2 - 8" bass for only €67.72 , midrange and treble were somewhat cheaper...

-so if you count on the price you can buy driverunits for yourself, you can build very cheap...

High End HiFi costs, but they don't always use the expensive pieces , there is a lot of snobbery in hifi, where people pay for the name

 

[ToPa]

Bass driver Wharfedale Elysian 2 and Wharfedale Linton 85

Wharfedale Linton 85th (8” bass driver)
Wharfedale Elysian 2 (8” bass driver , Scan-Speak 22W/4534G00)

 

[dcolak]

“Did you miss the fact Elysian 2 and Elysian 4 use:

* Same drivers
* Same enclosures

No :
Elysian 2 use 4 ohm driver
Elysian 4 use 2x 8 ohm driver (parallel)

The crossover parts are not the same for the bass section

Ahh, too bad, I thought they used 8ohm woofer. I'll have to buy me two 4ohm woofers, they are cheap.

 

[dcolak]

Wharfedale Elysian 2, Standlautfußsprecher, Wharfedale, Elysian 2,

Wharfedale Elysian 2, grandiose High End Lautsprecher mit AMT-Hochtöner vom autorisierten Wharfedale Händler in Hannover, Wharfedale-Shop,

www.highend-hifi-shop.de

Wharfedale Elysian

Hey, does anyone make a proper Elysian 4 crossover?

I have no idea how they managed to get 57Hz -6dB out of these drivers and boxes.

Thanks for your posts, I enjoyed reading them.

If you ask me Elysians are a scam, I can't say it any other way.

Those drivers are 100% scan-speak, they were not "custom made for Wharfedale."

Serial number and everything...

 

[Bigron]

Do we have an update on these yet?

 

[dcolak]

Official distributor waiting for Wharfedale's response, trying to use the warranty.

 

[Audionaut]

Official distributor waiting for Wharfedale's response, trying to use the warranty.

On what grounds?
"They sound bad" or "I had imagined them to be completely different" are not reasons to make a claim under the guarantee.

 

[Mart68]

On what grounds?
"They sound bad" or "I had imagined them to be completely different" are not reasons to make a claim under the guarantee.

Suspect the argument is they were mis-sold on the grounds of claims about bass extension that are not met in reality. Got to be worth a try at least?

 

[Audionaut]

I think you can try anything.
But there are probably people from Wharfedale reading here and all the "openings" of the loudspeaker by the owner would more or less rule out a warranty claim in Germany.

 

[dcolak]

On what grounds?
"They sound bad" or "I had imagined them to be completely different" are not reasons to make a claim under the guarantee.

Check the official specifications on the Wharfedale's web site. They are a blatant lie.

So either they do false advertising or the speakers have to be fixed/replaced under warranty.

The distributor visited my place, heard the speakers, said "this is not ok, something is wrong."

What else do you need? Did you read the previous posts, I wrote about the visit.

 

[Cogito]

Bass driver Wharfedale Elysian 2 and Wharfedale Linton 85

Wharfedale Linton 85th (8” bass driver)
Wharfedale Elysian 2 (8” bass driver , Scan-Speak 22W/4534G00)

There was a time, not so long ago, that Wharfedale made their own drivers.

 

[Ropeburn]

I think you can try anything.
But there are probably people from Wharfedale reading here and all the "openings" of the loudspeaker by the owner would more or less rule out a warranty claim in Germany.

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They would not. Manufacturers like to claim this and even write it into their terms of service and sometimes put seals on their products, but that doesn't mean it's valid. Merely opening a device does not automatically void warranty, only "unqualified tampering" does, which if in doubt the manufacturer must prove having happened. German court decisions are very clear on this.

 

[dcolak]

They would not. Manufacturers like to claim this and even write it into their terms of service and sometimes put seals on their products, but that doesn't mean it's valid. Merely opening a device does not automatically void warranty, only "unqualified tampering" does, which if in doubt the manufacturer must prove having happened. German court decisions are very clear on this.

Same applies in Chile, USA and probably every other country.

 

[joeg26er]

You need to calm down man.

 

[joeg26er]

Same applies in Chile, USA and probably every other country.

Any updates on your situation? Really sounds like they are out of phase somewhere. I had an REW roll off measurement at 15khz and it turned out it was because I was sending a bluetooth signal for the test tone. Bluetooth protocol can truncate the frequency right around 15-16khz

 

[Flaesh]

I've only read first two pages yet, but I'd like to suggest a test that might be useful for exposing Wharfedale: connect them to a 250-watt amplifier, set the volume to maximum, and feed them 0 dB tones of 20 and 20,000 Hz. This shouldn't be too harsh on the ears.

 

[Dmeerpa]

I also have those Wharfedale Elysian 4's.
Recently I played with DIRAC and RAW, and noticed some same things using a UMIK-I

To my surprise DIRAC detects the frequency range of the Elysian 4's to only 12500Hz...
I remeasured with REW and noticed the same behavior, I even re-did the test at less then 1 meter away.

The Wharefedale Opus Center and the 4 Opus Tri-surrounds and the 4 SVS Ultra Evolution Elevation Speakers all measured until 20000Hz, so can't say that the room causes the high tone drop off on the Elysians.

For the bass I measured 2 different results (from the listening seat). My left speaker is indeed falling of around 50-55Hz, but the right speaker keeps it up until even 23Hz.There is alsi one difference in the setup. The right speaker has a wall/window at 30cm away, while for the left speaker there is an open space and the side wall is 3 meters away.

I should remeasure this from 1 meter away of the speakers, and maybe switch both speakers from place (but they are very heavy to play with) to see if the measured results are speaker related or placement.
But I can't say I have no bass... but I have also a lot of roomgain on the low frequencies, which easely add's peaks of 15db (the reason I play with DIRAC and think off adding DIRAC ART). And currently I do use my older SVS PB12+ that is tuned to 12Hz.

When I measured the high drop-off in the high frequency, I also did the tests with just connecting the highs... While doiing that I broke one of the banana plugs of the jumper cables...and to my surprise the copercable in the jumpercables are really thin... I guess 16 AWG (1,5mm²)if it was not even 17 AWG (1mm²).