Wharfedale Elysian 4

[dcolak]

I would so like to see the AudioScience review of the Wharfedale Elysian 4's.

There is no bass under 80Hz, there are no highs above 15Khz.

Here are the measurements I did of my pair.

The two 7" drivers play well above their crossover point at 340Hz.

 

[staticV3]

I would so like to see the AudioScience review of the Wharfedale Elysian 4's.

The way to make that happen is to either send one of your Elysian 4's to Amir, or to convince Wharfedale to send him a review sample

 

[raindance]

I would so like to see the AudioScience review of the Wharfedale Elysian 4's.

There is no bass under 80Hz, there are no highs above 15Khz.

Here are the measurements I did of my pair. The two 7" drivers play well above their crossover point (should be 340Hz).

The way they lie about the size of the drivers is unbelievable.

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If you measured a pair then that explains the treble issue. You need to measure one at a time to accurately see treble extension. Bass is entirely dependent on placement and seating position.

 

[Weeb Labs]

Here are the measurements I did of my pair. The two 7" drivers play well above their crossover point (should be 340Hz).

With regard to the crossover (assuming the blue data corresponds to the 7" drivers), your measurement appears to be consistent with the specification. This is a fairly standard 12dB/oct high pass filter with a 340Hz corner frequency.

 

[tmtomh]

I would so like to see the AudioScience review of the Wharfedale Elysian 4's.

There is no bass under 80Hz, there are no highs above 15Khz.

Here are the measurements I did of my pair. The two 7" drivers play well above their crossover point (should be 340Hz).

The way they lie about the size of the drivers is unbelievable.

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If your first graph is an in-room measurement of the pair of speakers, then as others have said it has no real value as a validation (or lack thereof) of the published specifications.

Even that first graph, though, shows that the -6dB point for bass response is around 30Hz (depending on how you average or eyeball the -0dB SPL point between 100Hz and about 10kHz in that graph.) That's way below 80Hz and, once again, its deviation from the published F6 point of 22Hz is explainable by the fact that it appears to be in-room response of a pair whereas the manufacturer's specs are anechoic (or quasi-anechoic, or Kippel) measurements of a single speaker.

As for the crossover, @Weeb Labs provided the answer while I was typing this comment: your second graph appears to show the crossover point within about 50Hz of the claimed spec, and the fact that the woofers' response exists at a lower level beyond the crossover point is completely normal.

 

[dcolak]

If you measured a pair then that explains the treble issue. You need to measure one at a time to accurately see treble extension. Bass is entirely dependent on placement and seating position.

All measurements are near-field, one speaker, of course.

My in room/seating position measurements look much worse.

The reason I even thought of measuring them is because there was no bass at all.

Yes, the crossover is of the low order, you can hear 6Khz tone coming clear from the 7" woofers.

Why would they want to do that, no idea. It starts to be shouty as you start raising volume.

 

[mcdn]

All measurements are near-field, one speaker, of course.

My in room measurements look much worse.

The reason I even thought of measuring them is because there was no bass at all.

In general Wharfedale are not known for making up specs, so it would be best to start by double checking the measurement technique.

If measuring near field (usually within 5cm, preferably 1cm - use a shim to get the distance repeatable) then you need 5 measurements, one for each driver and one for the port. You would also expect the tweeter to beam a lot, so the near field measurement will drop off as the sound energy that is being produced is concentrated in a narrower beam, resulting in a relatively flat response at the listening position.

 

[dcolak]

I measured tweeter at 5cm distance. Physical size of drivers was easy to meassure.

They simply lie in their specs.

It is not a 6 inch mid, it is a 4 inch mid.

Woofers are not 8.5 inch, they are 7 inch.

 

[Penelinfi]

I measured tweeter at 5cm distance. Physical size of drivers was easy to meassure. They simply lie in their specs. It is not a 6.5 inch mid, it is a 4 inch mid. Woofers are not 8.5 inch, they are 7 inch.

Most speaker drivers are measured by frame size. You'll soon get used to the radiating areas not being whatever size is mentioned.
Edit : the Scanspeak driver is listed under 8" on an electronics store. So maybe Wharfedale are trying to extract 0.5".

Your real spec also needs a correction as it's not technically -10dB at 15kHz, but at 20kHz.

One last thing to check, it's unlikely I guess, but perhaps the amp has a bass roll off?

Otherwise I'm guessing Wharfedale used a small room for the bass extension stat

 

[mcdn]

I measured tweeter at 5cm distance. Physical size of drivers was easy to meassure. They simply lie in their specs. It is not a 6.5 inch mid, it is a 4 inch mid. Woofers are not 8.5 inch, they are 7 inch.

Just measure the port dude, that’s where the missing bass is

 

[dcolak]

Just measure the port dude, that’s where the missing bass is

Nothing coming out of the slot.

 

[dcolak]

Most speaker drivers are measured by frame size. You'll soon get used to the radiating areas not being whatever size is mentioned.
Edit : the Scanspeak driver is listed under 8" on an electronics store. So maybe Wharfedale are trying to extract 0.5".

Your real spec also needs a correction as it's not technically -10dB at 15kHz, but at 20kHz.

One last thing to check, it's unlikely I guess, but perhaps the amp has a bass roll off?

Otherwise I'm guessing Wharfedale used a small room for the bass extension stat

It's not the amp, tried several 500W RMS and downwards.

I need someone that knows what's he doing to measure these things. The soundstage is also hard to get, tweeters are too high to be in line with ears... I don't get these speakers. Why did they get so many good reviews?!

 

[dcolak]

Most speaker drivers are measured by frame size. You'll soon get used to the radiating areas not being whatever size is mentioned.
Edit : the Scanspeak driver is listed under 8" on an electronics store. So maybe Wharfedale are trying to extract 0.5".

Your real spec also needs a correction as it's not technically -10dB at 15kHz, but at 20kHz.

One last thing to check, it's unlikely I guess, but perhaps the amp has a bass roll off?

Otherwise I'm guessing Wharfedale used a small room for the bass extension stat

Their specs talk about cone area, they are nowhere close to being that large and there is no way they are +/- 3dB 30Hz-22Khz.

 

[kharan]

No one ever uses cone diameter to describe driver size, even Purifi who's anal about specifications in a good way doesn't.

Their 8" driver is a 6.8" in their actual specifications.

Their 5.25" driver is a 4.1".

If this was such a big deal, the entire industry would be raising hell, but it's just the standard.

 

[dcolak]

No one ever uses cone diameter to describe driver size, even Purifi who's anal about specifications in a good way doesn't.

Their 8" driver is a 6.8" in their actual specifications.

Their 5.25" driver is a 4.1".

If this was such a big deal, the entire industry would be raising hell, but it's just the standard.

False advertising is not the standard.

It's illegal in many countries.

Wharfedale specifically talks about the cone when mentioning the size.

 

[Berwhale]

@dcolak There are some measurements in a German magazine. I think the 4's are the red line...

Wharfedale Elysian (Test)

audiovision.de

You can purchase the full test results (presumably in German) for 2EUR at the bottom of the page.

 

[mj30250]

They are showing a pretty steep bass roll-off there as well. These would be "sub required" speakers for most.

 

[kharan]

False advertising is not the standard.

It's illegal in many countries.

Wharfedale specifically talks about the cone when mentioning the size.

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I suggest you return the speakers and contact your local authorities then.

 

[Berwhale]

They are showing a pretty steep bass roll-off there as well. These would be "sub required" speakers for most.

I thought so too. If these are marketed primarily for home theatre, then I think this would be expected?

 

[Weeb Labs]

False advertising is not the standard.

It's illegal in many countries.

Wharfedale specifically talks about the cone when mentioning the size.

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I would ordinarily interpret those specifications to mean '[size]" driver with a [material] cone'. A comma should ideally follow the diameter. As mentioned previously, the standard measurement for loudspeaker driver diameter is between the outer edges of the frame; not the cone itself.