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Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 Review (Speaker)
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last year, i don't have it but also can't use a sub atm. Today it's exactly 4 month ago
With diamonds 12.1s i don't need a subwoofer i just wanna have the biggest diamonds 12 i's i have space for do to bass extension
20% discount and the price was right
12.2i received
They are noticeable bigger but not by much, just a little to big for a desk although you could use yamaha hs7 and 8 on a desk for music production, that kind of speakers are almost to big or just a little to big og way to big (but they will fit)
more bass, deeper bass
First impression is that sensitivity and impedans is different than the 12.1's
Wiim ultra streamer 12.1i needs to be adjusted around 60hz and 75hz ish, only at 70-75hz is needed to be adjusted by room fit with the 12.2's
Adjusted was done down to 35hz as a limit
They are noticeable bigger but not by much, just a little to big for a desk although you could use yamaha hs7 and 8 on a desk for music production, that kind of speakers are almost to big or just a little to big og way to big (but they will fit)
more bass, deeper bass
First impression is that sensitivity and impedans is different than the 12.1's
Wiim ultra streamer 12.1i needs to be adjusted around 60hz and 75hz ish, only at 70-75hz is needed to be adjusted by room fit with the 12.2's
Adjusted was done down to 35hz as a limit
What you can do is extend the pipe a liitle bit and test it with a sine tone where the tuning frequency is. When the cone does not move any more you have it. Then extend the pipe in small steps of 5mm and test it again. The output of the pipe (in dB) will be a little bit lower, and the -3dB point of the upper flank will not be so exactly, but you have more control to deeper frequencies.
The next is close the pipe (with rolled-up socks) and add some damping material to virtually enlarge the cabinet. Put the speakers nearer to a wall and eq it. This will be the best option imo. Bass control is better than original and maybe the mids will be cleaner.
The next is close the pipe (with rolled-up socks) and add some damping material to virtually enlarge the cabinet. Put the speakers nearer to a wall and eq it. This will be the best option imo. Bass control is better than original and maybe the mids will be cleaner.
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I have found the 12.1s are able to do some bass boost quite easily.
I expected bottoming and distortion, but as long as you are reasonable with loudness, its fairly amazing for how small they are.
To me the biggest weakness is the lack of bass extension, BUT I use dual subs on each side, so in practice NOT really a big deal to me.
I find them to be the ideal small 100hz-20khz speaker.
I expected bottoming and distortion, but as long as you are reasonable with loudness, its fairly amazing for how small they are.
To me the biggest weakness is the lack of bass extension, BUT I use dual subs on each side, so in practice NOT really a big deal to me.
I find them to be the ideal small 100hz-20khz speaker.
The 12.1 i is pretty good and can go down to around 50hz corrected in my room (under -10db)
12.2i in my room, can also room corrected, go down to 43-45hz around -10db and around 35 hz at -20
Not super low but okay, in a better room they might do better
The 12.2i is better than the 12.1i but non of them are super loud or super deep bass but fairly loud and the bass can easily be punchy
In my room theres not so much bass non room corrected, so they can go close to a wall before doing room correction, i have to do room correction before the bass is great
Personally i don't know what room treatment can do for me since most do boomy bass.
An 8" diamond 12 i, like Dynaudio m2/8 (they made an 10" 2/10 bookshelf speaker), yamaha hs8, mackie mr824, krk rokit rp8 g5, adam audio t8v,jbl 308pmkII + the rest monitor audio bronze 100 (one of the few affordable hifi bookshelf speakers with an 8" woofer) we might get bass and spl for those who are hardcore loud music and punchy bass lowers 12.2i won't satisfy them but getting close to it, missing a little more spl
12.2i in my room, can also room corrected, go down to 43-45hz around -10db and around 35 hz at -20
Not super low but okay, in a better room they might do better
The 12.2i is better than the 12.1i but non of them are super loud or super deep bass but fairly loud and the bass can easily be punchy
In my room theres not so much bass non room corrected, so they can go close to a wall before doing room correction, i have to do room correction before the bass is great
Personally i don't know what room treatment can do for me since most do boomy bass.
An 8" diamond 12 i, like Dynaudio m2/8 (they made an 10" 2/10 bookshelf speaker), yamaha hs8, mackie mr824, krk rokit rp8 g5, adam audio t8v,jbl 308pmkII + the rest monitor audio bronze 100 (one of the few affordable hifi bookshelf speakers with an 8" woofer) we might get bass and spl for those who are hardcore loud music and punchy bass lowers 12.2i won't satisfy them but getting close to it, missing a little more spl
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I'm not sure I follow. I'm asking about Decibals before they become distorted to hell. The KEF Q line seems to have really high SPL capabilities. Hoping these can be similar.
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The Wharfedale website states "Peak SPL 96dB" for both the 12.2 and 12.2i models in the specifications. Their sensitivity is 88dB (2.83V @ 1m), which is equivalent to 1W into 8 ohms. The recommended amplifier power is in the range 20–120W. If we go with short-term 100W peaks, then the speakers might be capable of 108 dB SPL, However, that is way above the "Peak SPL 96dB" rating, also in the specifications, which would be achieved with only 6.3W of input power. If using a subwoofer crossed over no lower than 80Hz, the input power from bass transients would be greatly reduced. If we go with 20W of peak input power, which would seem to be a moderately conservative amount, then peak SPLs of around 101dB could be expected.
Wow amazing reply. Thank you.
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Just to add a bit of extra data to my earlier response, I noticed that the KEF Q series loudspeakers were mentioned in another post. Looking at the specifications of the Q3 Meta, they state "Maximum output 109 dB", and the sensitivity is 87 dB (2.83V/1m). To get to 109 dB on peaks, the input power would need to be equivalent to 158 W re 8 ohms (or 35.6V/1m). This seems to tie in quite nicely with that speaker's quoted amplifier requirements of 15 – 150 W.
we don't know how wharfedale diamond measures the 96db but you can be shure it's at one meter
I use a wiim streamer and vibelink + diamond 12.1i volume limit on the streamer 75% but 90% nearfield it's super loud
Don't worry about the max spl, even the 12.1i plays loud enough and enough bass for most people who has room correction
Problem is with most room, you need room correction to get decent bass or else you won't have much and that's why many might want a subwoofer
It's room depended
Look at harmonic distortion, on the kef Q3 metas most can't do 96db very good, kef does it good down to 45-50hz but perfectly you need a big sub at 100hz for most speakers and there for max spl don't matter since the speakers distort alot if you wanna play really loud and don't have subwoofer at 100hz or even 150hz
Keep speaker a good amount belov 96db at 1 meter or get big floorstand speakers if you wanna play loud (96db) or more at distance of 3-4 meters
I use a wiim streamer and vibelink + diamond 12.1i volume limit on the streamer 75% but 90% nearfield it's super loud
Don't worry about the max spl, even the 12.1i plays loud enough and enough bass for most people who has room correction
Problem is with most room, you need room correction to get decent bass or else you won't have much and that's why many might want a subwoofer
It's room depended
Look at harmonic distortion, on the kef Q3 metas most can't do 96db very good, kef does it good down to 45-50hz but perfectly you need a big sub at 100hz for most speakers and there for max spl don't matter since the speakers distort alot if you wanna play really loud and don't have subwoofer at 100hz or even 150hz
Keep speaker a good amount belov 96db at 1 meter or get big floorstand speakers if you wanna play loud (96db) or more at distance of 3-4 meters
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