Wbc speaker cable from a european store or something different

[gasolin75]

I often get the urge to try a diffrent amp or cable or what ever i have, to hear if i have something i like better or just to try it and switch back to what i use (instead of buying new)

I find my self wanting to try a different low budget speaker cable

I use the slightly famous micca cable 2x4 meter (12 foot), i just don't have anyting in that length to satisfy my urge to try something different (just because i can, if i had long enough speaker cable)

Would be nice if i could try the 7AWG wbc (worlds best cable) a little over 200 euro that i don't have atm

Then i found the WBC Gold LoCap, where even the 10 awg cable isn't that expensive (with in my budget) but it's not from a european store (shipping,time to arrive and if theres taxes)

WORLDS BEST CABLES: WBC-GOLD-LOCAP-SPKR-10 AWG

Speaker Cable Pair Audiophile HiFi Hi-Fi WORLDS BEST CABLES WBC GOLD LOCAP SPKR Two Core Eminence Gold Banana Spade 8mm 6mm binding posts 10 AWG Oxygen Free Copper OFC Tough Durable Ultra Flexible PVC Jacket Dumbbell Design Low Capacitance Inductance

www.amazon.com

Is it still not possible to buy wbc speaker cables form a european store ? Nothing on amazon.de

Is there anything else, bulk cable, i could try instead ? Since i have banana plugs compared to the LoCap cable it would be mabye 30 euros + what ever shipping is for 2x4 meter or 9 meters (never found a 10 awg cable for lets say 30 euros for 8 meter, where 8 plugs would cost 2 euros each and then the total price would be around 46 euros like in the link)

 

[kemmler3D]

I don't know what equipment you have where swapping cables might give you even a remote hope of hearing a difference, but I can tell you from experience that building cables from Canare 4S11 will probably cure you of wanting to mess around and swap cables. It's very robust and satisfying to work with.

 

[DVDdoug]

With speaker cables the only important thing is that the cable resistance should me much less than speaker impedance (maybe 1/10th). They also need to be polarized (marked) so you don't mix-up the + &- connections. With 7 or 10 gauge (and normal lengths) you are way into the diminishing returns range and they may be difficult to manage/hook-up.

Wire Resistance Chart

The resistance is round-trip so double the length of the speaker-run.

Try to avoid copper clad aluminum because aluminum has higher resistance.

I often get the urge to try a diffrent amp or cable or what ever i have, to hear if i have something i like better or just to try it and switch back to what i use

You've been around here long enough to know this, but most amplifiers don't have any particular "sound" unless there is audible noise (hum, hiss, or whine in the background) or if you over-drive it into distortion.
Controlled Audio Blind Listening Tests (video)
What is a blind ABX test?

 

[gasolin75]

It's not about that, it's just trying something different like when you try different adjustments or placement of your subwoofer (don't have any) or try tuning the sound with an equalizer or simply tidy up cables

Not always free but some things are, i just happen to not have any other cable i can try with my current setup (se signature)

 

[tineared]

Your search for better speaker cables and/or amps indicates that you are not satisfied with the sound of your speakers.
I suggest you save the money for a pair which will satisfy you. I would suggest a pair with at least a 6.5" woofer.
Alternatively, perhaps a subwoofer would do the trick.

Wharfedale 12.1 Speaker Review

Wharfedale 12.1 Review

www.erinsaudiocorner.com

 

[Mnyb]

You don’t need to try as when you get low R and reasonable values of L and C your done

This WBC cables seems very well priced looks neat and comes with connectors . They go to some effort allegedly to also reduce L and C ? Are they really lower than any other similar cables ?

Discard their flowery language descriptions of basic speaker cables they just try to sell , but the price is actually fair .

 

[Chrispy]

I often get the urge to try a diffrent amp or cable or what ever i have, to hear if i have something i like better or just to try it and switch back to what i use (instead of buying new)

I find my self wanting to try a different low budget speaker cable

I use the slightly famous micca cable 2x4 meter (12 foot), i just don't have anyting in that length to satisfy my urge to try something different (just because i can, if i had long enough speaker cable)

Would be nice if i could try the 7AWG wbc (worlds best cable) a little over 200 euro that i don't have atm

Then i found the WBC Gold LoCap, where even the 10 awg cable isn't that expensive (with in my budget) but it's not from a european store (shipping,time to arrive and if theres taxes)

WORLDS BEST CABLES: WBC-GOLD-LOCAP-SPKR-10 AWG

Speaker Cable Pair Audiophile HiFi Hi-Fi WORLDS BEST CABLES WBC GOLD LOCAP SPKR Two Core Eminence Gold Banana Spade 8mm 6mm binding posts 10 AWG Oxygen Free Copper OFC Tough Durable Ultra Flexible PVC Jacket Dumbbell Design Low Capacitance Inductance

www.amazon.com

Is it still not possible to buy wbc speaker cables form a european store ? Nothing on amazon.de

Is there anything else, bulk cable, i could try instead ? Since i have banana plugs compared to the LoCap cable it would be mabye 30 euros + what ever shipping is for 2x4 meter or 9 meters (never found a 10 awg cable for lets say 30 euros for 8 meter, where 8 plugs would cost 2 euros each and then the total price would be around 46 euros like in the link)

The problem is you. There's no need to change cables from your description. Corruption from the bullshit audio media....

 

[Bruce Morgen]

With speaker cables the only important thing is that the cable resistance should me much less than speaker impedance (maybe 1/10th).

If you don't want to bother with the impedance math, you can go by this table (from the late Roger Russell's very retro website): Roger Russell's Wire Table (AWG)

 

[gasolin75]

I don't search for a better amp or cable

 

[RexrothPigeon]

it's just trying something different like when you try different adjustments or placement of your subwoofer

except it's not like that. moving your subwoofer will affect what you hear. changing cables will not (unless you have defective cables or just the wrong cables).

 

[gasolin75]

As always you make cable threads about not hearing a difference (like you say,cables don't matter unless you don't have any and need it)

I don't plan on spending close to 100 euros for a pair, it's fun to try something different, mabye you gain a little, mabye not, if not and your old cable happens to sound better, you know that what you have is good but also to appriciate it

It's fun together with your hifi friends and drinking beer,vine, eat good food and listen to alot of music, hifi should be fun (even when you don't have any hifi friends)

like hearing different systems but when your home you like your system just a little better and appriciate that you didin't spend alot of money to get something that might not sound better, im just doing it with speaker cable on a low budget

Most didn't recommed me a different cable to try or told me if i can get wbc LoCap in europe (for under 40 euros + what ever shipping is)

Only one suggested canare 4s11 just a little over my budget, wbc 7awg would be something i would buy if im serious about changing my speaker cable to a better cable i would use all the time, instead of doing it for fun,experience. I could also buy a beer and a happy meal (instead of speaker cable) and be satisfy for a few hours until i get hungry again

Yes i did google wbc LoCaps cable but mabye i didn't type in the right words to know if i can get the cable in europe and not usa with higher delivery time,shipping price and mabye taxes

 

[Marquant]

As always you make cable threads about not hearing a difference (like you say,cables don't matter unless you don't have any and need it)

I don't plan on spending close to 100 euros for a pair, it's fun to try something different, mabye you gain a little, mabye not, if not and your old cable happens to sound better, you know that what you have is good but also to appriciate it

It's fun together with your hifi friends and drinking beer,vine, eat good food and listen to alot of music, hifi should be fun (even when you don't have any hifi friends)

like hearing different systems but when your home you like your system just a little better and appriciate that you didin't spend alot of money to get something that might not sound better, im just doing it with speaker cable on a low budget

Most didn't recommed me a different cable to try or told me if i can get wbc LoCap in europe (for under 40 euros + what ever shipping is)

Only one suggested canare 4s11 just a little over my budget, wbc 7awg would be something i would buy if im serious about changing my speaker cable to a better cable i would use all the time, instead of doing it for fun,experience. I could also buy a beer and a happy meal (instead of speaker cable) and be satisfy for a few hours until i get hungry again

Yes i did google wbc LoCaps cable but mabye i didn't type in the right words to know if i can get the cable in europe and not usa with higher delivery time,shipping price and mabye taxes

Maybe try something in which you actually might hear a difference? E g compare copper cladded aluminum electric houshold wire with ofc wire. Might still be difficult but hot tip: take enough length ;-)

 

[Ropeburn]

I wouldn't bother with "fancy" cable at all, especially not when 200 moneys is already a bit much. Just get something cheap like this

...and call it a day. 2x2.5mm² = 5mm² = 10 AWG. For all electric requirements on a home stereo, that's overkill already and good for a few kilowatt. Cheap and beyond any doubt for the purpose. You'd have to spend 20-30 moneys on wire alone if you made it yourself, so that's a good offer.

Do not waste your money on cables. They're trivial components.

 

[gasolin75]

I need 2x4 meters and it's not 10 awg it's more like 14


awg is not the total awg but each cable (+ or -) thast why 2x 6.0mm is 10 awg

I don't think i atm want to pay 60 euros for a pair, when i don't think the cable i would buy, would permantly replace what i have

I found out it's cheaper to buy a cable with plugs then plugs and cable (don't have enought plughs of what i wanna use)

 

[Ropeburn]

I need 2x4 meters and it's not 10 awg it's more like 14


awg is not the total awg but each cable (+ or -) thast why 2x 6.0mm is 10 awg

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I don't think i atm want to pay 60 euros for a pair, when i don't think the cable i would buy, would permantly replace what i have

I found out it's cheaper to buy a cable with plugs then plugs and cable (don't have enought plughs of what i wanna use)

Above example is 2x2.5mm² per pole, so yes, 5mm² indeed. Not like it really matters. Half that would be perfectly fine too. Any of it exceeds the requirements by a good margin, easily in "peace of mind overkill" territory.

 

[DanielT]

Is there anything else, bulk cable, i could try instead ?

You have Biltema in Denmark.

Biltema - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Buy their 2.5 mm OFC speaker cable, $20 for 10 meters. Or $35 for the 4 mm, 10 meters.

If you feel like it then:
Hide the cables via cable channels:

Or if you want to make them look nicer, dress them with cable sleeves, socks:

 

[DanielT]

I found out it's cheaper to buy a cable with plugs then plugs and cable (don't have enought plughs of what i wanna use)

Cheaper? It depends on what type of banana plugs you buy. Also, plus or minus a few $10-$20, what difference does it make if you can choose, customize, cut to length on cables that suit you? It's well worth a few extra $ just to avoid seeing unnecessarily long cables snaking around on your floor.

Also, it doesn't have to be more expensive, on the contrary, it can be cheaper. It depends on which banana plugs you buy. Check on Amazon. For example, 8 pieces of Fosi banana plugs cost (Amazon Sweden) $24:

Fosi bananas plus the Biltema cable I mentioned will be a good cheap solution.
(which I have by the way, works just fine)

Edit:
Or any other type of banana plug, choose the one that suits you...

If you order bananas from Amazon, check Amazon OFC speaker cables, if you don't want to or can't physically go to Biltema and buy their speaker cables.

 

[diddley]

Biltema got everything and good quality

 

[voodooless]

I don't search for a better amp or cable

Except you do..

I often get the urge to try a diffrent amp or cable or what ever i have, to hear if i have something i like better

It's not about that, it's just trying something different like when you try different adjustments or placement of your subwoofer (don't have any) or try tuning the sound with an equalizer or simply tidy up cables

I don't plan on spending close to 100 euros for a pair, it's fun to try something different, mabye you gain a little, mabye not, if not and your old cable happens to sound better, you know that what you have is good but also to appriciate it

So yeah, you are certainly looking for a better cable. And you are expecting to hear a diffrence, which is exactly what might make it fun. But, doing this:

I could also buy a beer and a happy meal (instead of speaker cable) and be satisfy for a few hours until i get hungry again

Will also have a similar effect on your perception. Or this:

It's fun together with your hifi friends and drinking beer,vine, eat good food

So, no need to buy any cable. Just spend it on friends, food, and booze, and enjoy the music

And if you really want to change the sound, try things that actually have a physical impact. It will be much more fun, you'll actually learn something, and you'll make your system better in the process.

 

[BlueTunes]

Twin 'n Earth FTW.