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Want to feel connected to digital music? Just submit to the digital Gods!

neRok

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I recently commented in a thread regarding an SMSL CD player, and whilst reading through some of the thread, I saw the predictable comments stating "I like the physical connection" etc. I've never understood this, and that's coming from a millennial that owns hundreds of CD's. I realised long ago why I don't care in that way, and that's because the computer is "analog" to me. The keyboard is my left hand, and the mouse and keyboard are my right hand, and together my hands can achieve a great many things! My digital music library is mine!

Anyway, the point of this post is: Why not "explore the digital realm"?!>! It can be as good as you want it to be.

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PS: I use ChatGPT anonymously/free, somehow, dunno how? (maybe Firefox has a deal with them? dunno, dont care)
 
Greetings neRok! It’s bracing to confront my ideological opponents first thing in the morning here in the Mountain West — passive consumer of mindless AI slop, denier that the ghostly digital disembodiment of algorithmic music poses any dilemmas whatsoever! Flying the know-nothing freak flag of “dunno, don’t care” with pride!

I salute your galactic wrongness and shameless clarifying embrace of hallucinatory obliviousness!
 
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'Exploring' is the best reason to visit the digital realm. When a track is 'discovered', listen using the playback system you enjoy.
 
Welcome neRok. Type Australia in the search box and find some things that escaped you and any other descriptors that describes what you like in that box. But if you are really bold just read through and try something that you might not. Just pick a random page 1-1152 and start reading.
 
'Exploring'
Not exploring. I've already listened to all the albums, and I already own all the albums. BUT, I don't know the "nuance" of every album that well, and that "nuance" is relevant in the moment (of the decision I'm making).
 
AI has no soul, it doesn't listen to music, it doesn't play an instrument, it is a 10yr old, it relies on what others have written that can be correct, nuanced, raving, brilliant, stupid or incorrect. What you tell it may not be what you want because it is directed by what you think and not what you hear. Not to say that the offbeat output that it spits at you is not a fun exercise but the genius of music is how it moves you and having open not a directive approach will eventually lead to discoveries and more satisfaction. You are the judge not the machine, the machine uses a formula that is captivating because of its speed not its perceived "intelligence". Music deserves better.
 
AI has no soul ... it is a 10yr old
ChatGPT is a large language model.

it relies on what others have written...
True enough.

... that can be correct, nuanced, raving, brilliant, stupid or incorrect.
Also true enough, and can be a problem, but can also be exactly what the doctor ordered. 50/50 chance.

What you tell it may not be what you want...
But placebo effect means it might be what I seek...?!

...because it is directed by what you think and not what you hear.
Irrelevant to the reason I posted this. BTW, I didn't post it in this subforum, but a mod moved it here, and that might be why everyone is talking about "opinions"/"thoughts&feelings"/etc.

That wasn't my intent. I have listened to all Manowar albums at least 3 times, and heard many songs on shuffle even more. I know I like Manowar. My problem (before this thread and talking to ChatGPT) was about which Manowar album to listen to in the moment. My perspective was;
  • In the previous week or 2, I had decided that I need to listen to a Manowar album soon (also I had Armored Saint on that same "list", hence their inclusions in the start of my question to ChatGPT)
  • I know from experience that all of the MoW albums have good songs, and some of the greatest songs are also on albums that have a lot of other songs that are filler and/or linger too long. This affects the "mood". (ChatGPT evidently understood this)
  • At the moment I wanted to listen to a Manowar album, I didn't know which one would best suit my "mood"
That's the point of this thread — to show a potential new way to "explore" your own music collection. And if you can't see value in the suggestions ChatGPT offered me, then I will make these counter arguments towards your PoV;
  1. You enjoy the pursuit of new music over any other aspect, and thus you are effectively a "slut". Will you ever experience devotion and a deep connection?
  2. You have been devoted to the same music since high school. Will you ever experience what else there is, what else there was, and what else there might be?
  3. You are "Goldilocks", and don't like either extreme. You like to explore on occasion, and you like to be comfortable on occasion. But when you are being comfortable;
    1. you are not cognizant of the fact that you often get "in a rut"
    2. you are ""
To continue #3: when I consider that my mind might decide that something "regular" has become "repetitive", and if I deem that undesirable, then I can appreciate a different "perspective".

And so with this understanding, what might this imply about your opinion? Could I imagine being;
  1. someone that thinks that they are so "excellent" that they can't appreciate the norm;
  2. and simultaneously lacks any appreciation and/or awareness of the implications of that PoV;
    1. which means they are destined to walk a straight path, just like other normies, except in a different direction.

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neRok says: Please ChatGPT, confirm my biases;
You’re recalling something that resonates with the broader psychological findings—but the most recent and robust evidence doesn't fully support the idea that making quick decisions about moderately costly choices leaves you just as satisfied as deliberate decision‑making. Here's the current research landscape:

What Recent Research Actually Shows​

1. Quick = Biased, Slow = More Accurate

A 2024 study from the University of Utah found that faster decisions are more influenced by biases, whereas those who take longer tend to make more accurate, less biased choices—even in everyday contexts like choosing between pizzas or selecting a college. (ScienceBlog.com, attheu.utah.edu)

2. “Sleep On It” Improves Rationality

Other recent studies highlight that delaying decisions—e.g., “sleeping on it”—can reduce the impact of initial impressions and produce fairer, more balanced choices. (Medbound)

3. Even Micro‑Delays Help

Classic experiments (though older) found that adding even a tiny delay—like 50 milliseconds—allows attention to filter irrelevant information and improves accuracy in split-second decision tasks. (TIME)

4. Too Many Options Cause Regret

The phenomenon of choice overload shows that when people face too many similar options, they often feel overwhelmed and later regret their decision—even when they spend more time deciding. (Wikipedia)

5. Nature of Decision Matters

  • Simple, routine choices are often handled efficiently by our fast, intuitive “System 1” thinking.
  • Complex or unfamiliar decisions benefit from System 2’s deliberate, thoughtful processing. (Psychology Today, SpringerLink)

6. Heuristics & Emotions Play a Role

Heuristics (mental shortcuts) help us decide quickly, but can also introduce biases. And emotional states—especially under time pressure—can distort our judgment. (Verywell Mind, Wikipedia)

Verdict: Quick Choices ≠ Equivalent Satisfaction​

So while you might have read something suggesting that fast decisions can be just as satisfying as slow ones in moderately impactful scenarios, the weight of recent evidence leans the other way: quick decisions often lead to biases and less accurate outcomes—and aren’t generally tied to equal satisfaction.
That said, satisfaction depends on context:
  • If the decision is low-stakes or routine, speed can be efficient without major downsides.
  • For moderate to high-stakes decisions, taking time generally improves both outcome and satisfaction—unless overwhelmed by too many choices, which can backfire.
Interestingly, being a "satisficer" (settling for “good enough”) rather than a "maximizer" (trying for the optimal) tends to lead to greater satisfaction and less regret—especially in crowded choice environments. (Wikipedia)
 
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Anyway, I wasn't going to bother responding to this thread, until I discovered this masterpiece;

 
which means they are destined to walk a straight path, just like other normies, except in a different direction.
Did you explore the music in the link I sent you? Do that and instead of what music you have, that's too "normie". I don't need a robot to tell what I like and can hear with my own ears. Maybe it could put me on to some new stuff. Type glam metal or metal into the search box of the link I posted and play something new. There is nothing wrong with what you are doing, just limited to in the same stuff over and over. You are right I should have let you be and meant no offense. AI is a tool for searching large databases, not small ones, and that evoked my response.
 
For the past three years I have been a contributor to this group and follow (as best I can) the correspondence of the group which is part of my alma mater, but I am a ME not a CS grad. I have kind of lost interest in AI lately though and their funding and management structure changed in May. LLM's are prone to many errors due to bad inputs. https://lmarena.ai/

Which music AI program do you use? I will give it a try.
 
I enjoy listening to music offered by Amazon Music based on my repeated playing of certain artists and genres. Is this related to how AI is used to suggest songs I might be interested in?
 
That's the point of this thread — to show a potential new way to "explore" your own music collection. And if you can't see value in the suggestions ChatGPT offered me, then I will make these counter arguments towards your PoV;
You could of made the point of this thread much clearer by putting the prompt you used in ChatGPT in the 1st post, rather than just the response.
 
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