Hey, so I have a pair of wireless headphones- Edifier w800 bt pro and they sound fantastic I love the sound quality, I have tuned them with the eq in their app but for some songs on my phone they sound a bit too quiet for my taste. Also on my iPad and on my MacBook they are even quieter. Which would be the best way to fix this? I tried volume booster apps, they are garbage.If they don't ruin the audio they will introduce distortion or they will make the sound weird like it's sidechained. Anyway I tried Google's Sound Amplifier, RootlessJamesDsp, Goodev , and also another sound booster I forgot. Sooo I was thinking wireless amplifier(physical one)? That's not an ideal solution though since it's expensive and also more clutter to my wireless setup. Too what do you think?
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Hi @ladybug! Welcome to ASR.
Make sure that your songs are mastered close to 0dBFS Peak (check with Audacity etc.) and that your source device is capable of sending bit-exact audio via Bluetooth (try USB Audio Player Pro on Android).
With these conditions fulfilled, you will be able to extract the maximum SPL that your headphones are capable of via Bluetooth.
A wireless amplifier is completely pointless at that point since this is not analog audio.
Make sure that your songs are mastered close to 0dBFS Peak (check with Audacity etc.) and that your source device is capable of sending bit-exact audio via Bluetooth (try USB Audio Player Pro on Android).
With these conditions fulfilled, you will be able to extract the maximum SPL that your headphones are capable of via Bluetooth.
A wireless amplifier is completely pointless at that point since this is not analog audio.
Get different headphones. The amp built in is optimized for their quirks and you'll struggle to get an external one to sound the same. I'm assuming the external one would physically plug into the headphones and include a Bluetooth receiver because there's no such thing as a wireless amplifier otherwise.
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I think it's a transmitter and connects to the phone but I am not exactly sure. Doesn't it just boost the volume though? I mean it's not a DAC but well I don't know much about wireless amplifiers. I have to look into it. Getting other ones is the obvious choice but I don't want to do this right now. It's not such a big problem and I like those also I have a very specific taste in audio quality so getting new ones that I like is extremely hard. And I don't want to spend more money now
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I don't want to use a third party player also I use Apple Music it's not just downloaded songs to my phone and I also am talking about just listening to music not my music so the mastering thing is irrelevant. Thanks for the comment though! Any other way to get the bit-exact audio? Or other ideas for a fix?
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Right.. Usually the issue is not enough analog power (or analog gain). The analog amplifier is inside your wireless headphones.
I don't know why there is a difference with different devices. But different songs/program material can be louder than others. The majority of digital recordings are 0dB normalized (maximized), including many quiet-sounding songs. The peaks don't correlate well with perceived loudness. So boosting digitally causes digital clipping/distortion. That includes digital EQ if you boost and then don't use the "preamp" function to attenuate.
All of the popular streaming services use loudness normalization (or "loudness matching") which is different from regular peak normalization. Since many songs can't be boosted without clipping, they use a target loudness that ends-up lowering the volume of most music. A CD or digital file will usually be louder than the streamed file.
Any digital volume adjustment changes the "bits", including loudness normalization done by the streaming services. Although not in a terrible way. It's considered a "lossless" process. And as you may know, some of the Bluetooth protocols are lossy but they aren't necessarily terrible either (if even noticeable).
All you'll do is cause clipping, just like the volume booster apps. Increasing the input voltage doesn't increase the output power of the amp in the 'phones.
Do you use the Apple Sound Check setting that keeps the volume of all of your library "in line"? If it is on in the music app settings maybe try turning it off during one of these songs to see if that helps the situation.
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good suggestion but it's off. I know it makes them quieter. Thanks though!
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Well that's the thing I believe it will be able to handle the extra power. They are pretty good headphones that seem very well built and high quality at an insane price so I don't know I think it will be able to handle it. How do I know for sure? I mean they do have 32 ohms of impedance. I don't know about the amp though. Is there a way to find out specs of the amp or how exactly do I find out its maximum output power?
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I will try with cd music I have lots I like cds. I will give that a try.
Volume limiter and Reduce Loud Audio under Headphone Safety disabled as well?
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Is that in Apple Music? Or my phone? Where exactly? What section? I don't see such an option in Apple Music. I have a Samsung phone if it's for my phone(A51).
For me those are iPhone or iPad settings under sounds and haptics. I saw Apple Music and assumed apple device, sorry.
Looks like under settings for your phone there is a sounds and vibration tab. Samsung calls it Media Volume Limiter, make sure that isn't screwing you up.
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I have an iPad which also suffers from the same problem so I will check these settings there, but for the Samsung I actually if it's the same thing( I will double check) but if it's the same thing I used that Volume Limiter to actually boost the volume a bit and I believe it worked, it just was a minor difference but noticeable. By enabling custom volume limit and cranking it to infinity(just drag the slider to the max). I checked the iPad but that's off so that's not the problem.
Last time I had an issue with BT being sort of quiet, it turned out my phone's system volume was turned down a fair bit. Android, too.
Making sure that the phones are being supplied with reasonable enough digital levels is about all you can do in this situation. If they just don't have enough gain, you're SOL.
Making sure that the phones are being supplied with reasonable enough digital levels is about all you can do in this situation. If they just don't have enough gain, you're SOL.
It doesn't matter what impedance the drivers are if you can't connect anything to them directly...
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Yup, well I mean it's not that much of a big deal to be honest but there are some particular songs which also happen to be from my favorites where it's annoying. I have been used to the voice of the singer being right next to my ear and now with these it's not because of the volume. I can tell it sounds like it should(freuencywise) comparing it to my wired studio monitors from Audiotechnica but because of the volume difference it's more distant and that drives me nuts in some songs. I honestly think if these headphones have enough max output power on the amp itself I could just get a wireless amp or something but I don't know how do I check? Before spending money on useless stuff? If it turns out they cannot take more power and they start clipping.
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yeah so what about the amp? Whatever I asked about it
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