Video: how a Denon cartridge is made in Japan

[thewas]

Show me even one LP that doesn't suffer from inner groove distortion, they don't exist.

Actually the LP suffers from distortion not only in the inner grooves, it just gets often more audible there, with "exceptions" being rather 12" 45 RPM maxi singles where the distortion is reduced due to higher speed and less cutting limitations.

 

[mike70]

That’s disrespectful to Dire Staits, you may not enjoy their musical compositions but you can’t argue that they are beloved by many

... that record is a masterpiece ... as "Love Over Gold".

 

[Mikig]

quel disco è un capolavoro ... come "Love Over Gold".

I agree! I love Dire Straits

 

[MattHooper]

I really like this level of workmanship and dedication to quality. That is one of the reasons I enjoy listening to vinyl records so much more than streaming digital music (despite knowing all the technical limitations)

Agreed.

When some cynics say “ why the hell would anybody buy some antiquated technology like a turntable?” This is part of the answer (for some).

It’s like the answer to “ why in this digital day and age with anybody buy a mechanical watch?”

One reason is because a fine turntable/arm/cartridge can represent this type of engineering and fine craftsmanship.
Just like the way a mechanical watch works can be conceptually satisfying, which also gives an appreciation for the craftsmanship that goes into a fine mechanical watch, the same can be said for a turntable.

I never tire of operating my turntable - a German made high mass design - because it’s such a satisfying object to interact with: beautiful, and well crafted. Produces a surprising level of sonic performance from my records, and even the motor dial has been exquisitely engineered, and that’s how it feels every time I use it.

 

[MattHooper]

One thing that I was left, wondering after watching this video which seemed to feature rather excruciatingly fine and detailed work on the cartridge:

How in the world are much cheaper cartridges produced? The demands of the design of a cartridge would seem to be inherently labor heavy and expensive.

And yet you can buy some quite cheap turntables with cartridges… write down to the ubiquitous Crosley turntables. I wonder how those more mass produced cartridges are made.

 

[mike70]

 

[Mikig]

everything really beautiful, modern, clean…only, for the music room I would have chosen other speakers!!

 

[Sal1950]

I was wondering if ASR was going to be able to resist that comment.

Not even in the turntable forum I guess…

Matt, Would you prefer to see ASR sink to the level of CA/AS, Head-Fi, and a few others where special (Cable) forums were created and then members of a Objective slant were banned from making any criticisms made on the science of the "sound of cables" ? That's something I would hope to never see happen here.

One reason is because a fine turntable/arm/cartridge can represent this type of engineering and fine craftsmanship.
Just like the way a mechanical watch works can be conceptually satisfying, which also gives an appreciation for the craftsmanship that goes into a fine mechanical watch, the same can be said for a turntable.

A perfectly supportable position, I didn't hear anyone criticize that here?
Only some points on the unavoidable technical sonic weaknesses of vinyl were brought up.

I never tire of operating my turntable -

I did, about 1974 when I bought my first "audiophile" table (AR XB) and had to jump up to raise the tonearm at the end of ever side.

 

[mike70]

perfectly supportable position

now we have a sheriff of the right / wrong. Great!

we don't post things to please you, we can discuss arguments (as we exposed many), but ... supportable opinions? OMG.

I thought we were serious about it, but in that terms, now I think I'm feeding a troll.

 

[suttondesign]

Turntable = 1970 BMW 2002
.wav = 2019 vw golf r

I love both. I drive one, not the other.

 

[undeakyetonde]

A perfectly supportable position, I didn't hear anyone criticize that here?
Only some points on the unavoidable technical sonic weaknesses of vinyl were brought up.

Of course - but the whole subforum is an exploration of these weaknesses! Bringing up digital audio once again adds nothing, it is not a useful reminder, just annoying noise. Therefore the reaction

 

[MatrixS2000]

Why should it? ASR is a website dedicated to presenting the truth and facts in any situation.

Completely agree….so explain this:

Digital:

Vinyl - same song, same playback location:

 

[MatrixS2000]

Of course - but the whole subforum is an exploration of these weaknesses! Bringing up digital audio once again adds nothing, it is not a useful reminder, just annoying noise. Therefore the reaction

So true, as if members who still enjoy vinyl don’t understand the short comings of the format, not to mention that just because the digital format is superior, doesn't mean it has the better content - as clearly shown above.

 

[Sal1950]

Completely agree….so explain this:

??? Absolutely No Idea, Is that some sort of eye diagram showing the digital playback revealing a higher level of detail?

 

[MatrixS2000]

??? Absolutely No Idea,

Not surprised….

 

[Deleted member 77012]

Great! The video seems to demonstrate just that sorts of dedication and enthusiasm I use to connect to the »Made in Japan« sticker on any kind of audio hardware.

 

[mike70]

Not surprised….

Don't feed the troll. Doesn't have any interest in a different opinion or their arguments, and any tolerance to that.

Nobody said analog is better, because it's not.
Analog is "enough" based on the real audibility of the stuff and all the shortcomings coming after the source, including speakers with 5% THD (the very good ones), acoustics, high frequency loss, ... I think I stated clearly, and it's a lot of science involved.

Generally, the dogmas are based on a part of the knowledge. If you think that part is all the information, the dogma eats you alive.

 

[MatrixS2000]

Generally, the dogmas are based on a part of the knowledge. If you think that part is all the information, the dogma eats you alive.

So very true!

 

[RayDunzl]

??? Absolutely No Idea, Is that some sort of eye diagram showing the digital playback revealing a higher level of detail?

It's called a Lissajous pattern.

Usually done on an oscilloscope, but can be done with computer. Preferably an analog scope. No "jaggies" from the pixels. No pixels on an analog scope..

One channel drives the electron beam up and down, the other channel drives the beam left and right.

So wherever the beam is at any instant is the sum of the left and right amplitudes.

The phosphor on the screen illuminates when the electron beam excites it, and the luminance doesn't decay immediately, so it leaves a track of where the beam had been.

The digital is clipped - straight edges. Or limited, to pretend it isn't clipped.

 

[Sal1950]

It's called a Lissajous pattern.

Usually done on an oscilloscope, but can be done with computer. Preferably an analog scope. No "jaggies" from the pixels. No pixels on an analog scope..

One channel drives the electron beam up and down, the other channel drives the beam left and right.

So wherever the beam is at any instant is the sum of the left and right amplitudes.

The phosphor on the screen illuminates when the electron beam exchites it, and the luminance doesn't decay immediately, so it leaves a track of where the beam had been.

The digital is clipped - straight edges. Or limited, to pretend it isn't clipped.

Thanks Ray.
As I remember it, there wasn't any vinyl gear around your place last time I visited.
Just thousands of CD's
Nothing currently listed in your signature either.
I guess that so called revealed "clipping" doesn't bother you either, everything I heard there sounded absolutely fabulous. LOL