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VHS Hi-Fi: The Mediocre, the Bad and the Crappy

I remember hat in the past there have been so called PCM adapters that digitized audio to a signals to a signal that could be recorded on VSH. Way back the same from TV Signal to analog Audio like a DAC.

That is where (consumer, at least) digital recording started. The add-on PCM recorders (and, eventually, standalone decks) were not inexpensive.

Again, the bandwidth of rotating-head recording enabled these decks -- but, other than the basic platform used, they're utterly unrelated to the FM analog Hi-Fi audio recorders.
 
I'd suggest that a 32" widescreen TV is about as far up in size as these machines would allow and I can well imagine those of you who love huge screens would now find a domestic VCR unwatchable today.
Back in DVD's first year I bought a Mitsubishi 50" 4:3 rear projection TV. I had a large VHS movie collection none of which looked great on the 50" TV. They were watchable but you needed to be 12ish feet from the screen. As my DVD collection grew my VHS sat unwatched. On a few occasions I would rent a DVD rather than watch my VHS version.

I shudder to think what a VHS tape would look like on my 82 inch TV today!
 
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We were fairly early adopters of VHS hi-fi, via a Zenith-branded (JVC) deck acquired ca. 1986 (memory is hazy!) at the big annual Stereo Discounters hifi show and sale at the Timonium Fairgrounds near Baltimore, MD. Stereo Discounters was a big deal in those days, and their big (truly huge) big sale at the fairgrounds was likewise a big deal.

VHS Hi-Fi (and Beta Hi-Fi before it) was a big deal.

Remember that recording even what y'all would consider low-definition NTSC color video onto magnetic tape was a significant technical achievement! Very early attempts used outrageous linear tape speeds to achieve the necessary bandwidth.

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Clever engineers at Ampex (Ray Dolby, Fred Pfost, and other members of a small team) used rotating heads to achieve a practical format for (at the time, monochrome) video recording. This trick ;) gave high relative velocity, affording the required frequency response but with less outrageous linear tape speed. Remember, also, that all this was done using analog electronics... these were clever people.

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https://www.computerhistory.org/storageengine/rotary-head-delivers-high-quality-video/ (e.g.)

Pointless, egocentric aside: I worked, for a while, for Fred's son Dale, and spent a delightful afternoon with them both in Los Gatos, CA one fine day in 1995 when both Dale and I found ourselves between engagements, so to speak. :rolleyes:

The consumer video tape formats took this approach to its reasonable limits, in terms (I'd say) of tape width and linear velocity to yield affordable, practical, and (ultimately) inexpensive appliances for the masses to watch I Love Lucy and porn. ;)

At any rate, the notion of using rotating audio heads, too, recording not amplitude but frequency modulated analog audio was, I'd opine, likewise beastly clever and elegant.

Sony/Beta Hi-Fi came first, but, of course, JVC's competing VHS (Hi-Fi) format essentially won the day, although being (it is said) technically inferior.
Personally, I have far less experience with Beta, but I believe what I've read in that latter regard. :)

So... let me claw myself back on topic...
Yeah, early analog video was quite sophisticated. Quadruplex machines literally require you to have an oscilloscope in order to properly set up and control the recording. It uses vacuum to maintain a tape wrap across the drum. I know a guy who has multiple Type C VTRs (Sony, Ampex and even USSR-made). There's a ton of going on in terms of time base correction...
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Thank you for the extremely thorough examination of VHS players as hi-fi devices.

Honestly, I'm still kind of boggling at the entire concept of using VHS tapes as a medium for listening to music at all. Though honestly, after some examination, it's not that much weirder than the obsession with vinyl as a playback medium.
In the 80s and 90s it made some sense. VHS was readily available, inexpensive, and superior to audio cassettes, which were the only other medium available to average home listeners.

Once various means of copying digital audio (CD burners, file sharing, etc) became accessible to regular folks, though, it stopped making sense.
 
And now the same for a cassette deck with Dolby C and HX Pro please. Maybe an Akai with GX head and three motors. I have one, but sadly, it needs new rubber parts to play again. Isn't that a problem with VHS decks, too?
 
And now the same for a cassette deck with Dolby C and HX Pro please. Maybe an Akai with GX head and three motors. I have one, but sadly, it needs new rubber parts to play again. Isn't that a problem with VHS decks, too?
Wow&flutter isn't really an issue here, since VHS have feedback loop based on sync pulses written onto tape. A lot of later decks have rubber belt based mechanisms (Pansonic's K-mecha uses "everlasting" toothed belt, for example), but you're ok as long as you have any friction to turn spools
 
@amirm tested a (very) good nakamichi deck.

I have... things... to say about VHS HiFi (and, by implication, at least, Beta HiFi, too) but, perhaps ironically, I don't have the bandwidth to do it right now.
As Arrrrrrrnold once said, though --
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That (very un-good [as it was in sad shape]) Nakamichi Dragon was a not even close to par one.
It was in sad, sad shape.
If they had had it refurbished before they sent it to Amirm, they could have done just as well as throwing the money into the fireplace with a lit fire in it.
I, unfortunately, do not own one of the caliber of a properly working NAK Dragon but mine (JVC & Kenwood [while no where near CD quality]) work better than that NAK Dragon was capable of (for whatever reason).
I remember being stunned by how bad that deck was
 
Back in DVD's first year I bought a Mitsubishi 50" 4:3 rear projection TV. I had a large VHS movie collection none of which looked great on the 50" TV. They were watchable but you needed to be 12ish feet from the screen. As my DVD collection grew my VHS sat unwatched. On a few occasions I would rent a DVD rather than watch my VHS version.

I shudder to think what a VHS tape would look like on my 82 inch TV today!
Never had a screen bigger than 42" (& my current one is 32 [the desk top computer screen] {my computer plays almost every format of DISCS}). I have no use case for anything bigger than 50" (or space, either).
 
If they had had it refurbished before they sent it to Amirm, they could have done just as well as throwing the money into the fireplace with a lit fire in it.
I think the deck was fine. The issue was the pre-recorded test tapes. They may have degraded or been poorly done. I should have recorded my own signal on them. Plan to do that with my Reel to Reel deck which too had lousy output with reference pre-recorded tape.
 
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I think the deck was fine. The issue was the pre-recorded test tapes. They may have degraded or been poorly done. I should have recorded my own signal on them. Plan to do that with my Reel to Reel deck which too had lousy output with reference pre-recorded tape.
There's a huge problem with getting somewhat credible calibration tapes (which don't cost hundreds of $), especially for cassette decks... With R2R, mono heads are go-to for creating your own calibration tapes, since they eliminate inter-channel azimuth misalignment that you'd inevitably have with regular 2 track heads
 
Drifting off-topic but DAT is nearly 40 years old now <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape>. I never got into that but it must've been so much better than cassette, although it came too late to be a medium for pre-recorded music.
The unfortunate issue with DAT tech is the durability of the tapes (and sometimes the recorders as well). The data density on metal particle DAT tape was so high that even minimal tape wear or irregularity despite coded data redundancy could impair digital perfect playback. Recording studios using DAT tapes for master recording transfer were keen on playing them a minimal amount of times before transfer to a more permanent mastering medium because tape wear would quickly increase the error rate of the digital audio. Several pro DAT units actually had built in counters that tracked error rate to apprise audio engineers of their playback fidelity. Of course when the error rate of DAT tapes go beyond a certain level playback becomes notably impaired, difficult or even impossible. So unfortunately DAT tapes are a poor medium for long term storage. If any of you have cherished recordings on DAT tape I encourage you to transfer them to more durable media.
 
No doubt VHS sucks, but if you need to recover what's already on VHS, there's no better budget solution than raw RF capture on modified deck using specialized hardware + software decode using VHS-Decode project.
 
In the earlier days of backing tracks for live performance (before the use of computers), easily affordable, durable and portable media with long playback times (to last a full performance) was scarce - so several bands for a few years used Beta HiFi and VHS HiFi machines for this purpose. Incidentally the Toshiba DX-900 was able to record in both VHS HiFi and PCM digital formats.

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No doubt VHS sucks, but if you need to recover what's already on VHS, there's no better budget solution than raw RF capture on modified deck using specialized hardware + software decode using VHS-Decode project.
I own a basic vhs decode setup, but that's only suitable for individual archival purposes due to abysmally slow decoding process even on 18MSps (and you need to downsample, which takes time too)
 
At their best, they were Kinda good sounding and "Seemed" Hi-Fi, but they seemed very susceptible to weird audio anomalies and all types of odd things happening based on the tape movement and tracking varying while playing.

I mean, not horrible, but not CD digital quality for sure!
 
The tapes themselves deteriorated pretty fast and so do the internals of many tape decks so that's a factor. My tapes became mostly unlistenable and got binned years ago. I think I sold the tape deck for a nominal amount as it just became a waste of space.
Lots of cassettes were played in cars so would have suffered a lot from heat and (perhaps) cruder mechanisms.
 
I'll stick with my Reel 2 Reels & my cassette decks, should I feel the urge to put something on tape (I actually plan to do the opposite: digitize my family events & historical tapes (things like the conversations between Houston & the Astronauts for the moon landings), hopefully in the upcoming year. We'll se what kind of new products are in the pipeline after March 2026 to do that with.
What's stopping you before next March?
 
That is where (consumer, at least) digital recording started. The add-on PCM recorders (and, eventually, standalone decks) were not inexpensive.

Again, the bandwidth of rotating-head recording enabled these decks -- but, other than the basic platform used, they're utterly unrelated to the FM analog Hi-Fi audio recorders.
Kinda off-topic, but a group of Russian enthusiasts reverse engineered PCM-F1 (if I'm not mistaken) and made a PLD-based (again, if I remember correctly) PCM decoder that works better than original one. They've built a PCM coder too...
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