Vandersteen 2C Klippel data by "hardisj"

[Ktacos]

• "Slow and dark" sounding: Some listeners perceive Vandersteen speakers as having a "slow and dark" tonality, according to TONEAudio Magazine. This might be due to the time-aligned design and specific crossover slopes employed by Vandersteen. However, it's worth noting that this can also be attributed to improper setup and placement, says TONEAudio Magazine.
• "Dead and lifeless" soundstage: Some users, particularly when comparing to other brands like JBL, describe the soundstage as lacking excitement and appearing "dead" or "lifeless,".
• Narrow sweet spot: Achieving the optimal sound with Vandersteens often requires precise placement and seating within a very specific listening window, states a user on the Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum. Moving outside this "sweet spot" can lead to a less engaging listening experience.
• Specific tonal balance: While many find the sound natural and balanced, some find them "midrangey", or perceive issues like a muted bass response or over-emphasized high frequencies, depending on the model and recording quality.

All of that lines up with my subjective experience with the 2c. Probably one of the most off sounding speakers I've heard.

 

[olds1959special]

All of that lines up with my subjective experience with the 2c. Probably one of the most off sounding speakers I've heard.

I had the 2Ci and now have the 2Ce Sig II. I'm keeping it for now, but its unconventional design means it may not be good at everything for everyone.

 

[Beave]

All of that lines up with my subjective experience with the 2c. Probably one of the most off sounding speakers I've heard.

It looks to me like something he copied from AI after asking it a question.

 

[olds1959special]

It looks to me like something he copied from AI after asking it a question.

It was easier than remembering and writing down all the points.

 

[Beave]

It was easier than remembering and writing down all the points.

When you use AI in your posts, please acknowledge that you have done so by saying so in the post.

 

[Snarfie]

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Regarding the Model 1b it took me sometime to get them going because of placement. They are more or less well placed from the wall. At that spot they dissepear sound almost liquid.

 

[olds1959special]

I guess I am stuck with my Vandies. They really create the feeling of body in the music. It's nothing like my Elac setup, the Vandies are much more diffused, and like to be played loud.

 

[Snarfie]

I guess I am stuck with my Vandies. They really create the feeling of body in the music. It's nothing like my Elac setup, the Vandies are much more diffused, and like to be played loud.

I can’t speak for the Vandersteen Model 2, but I own the Model 1, and I found the bass presentation a bit diffuse. A few years ago, I managed to reduce this effect considerably by decoupling the Vandersteens from the floor in a slightly unconventional way (see picture).


I used 3 spikes in combination with 3 dense industrial rubber pads the type used in elevator landing points (at least that’s what I was told). To protect the rubber and improve stability, I placed copper 5-cent coins between the spikes and the pads.


The results, combined with DSP room correction, were remarkable. Without the rubber the bass was already decent, but with the full setup it became roughly 50% tighter, with clearer bass articulation, better rhythm, and more defined patterns. This also opened up the soundstage (which was already one of the best i heard) giving even more separation and air between instruments. Probably if you could get hold to this specific sort of rubber an place it under the Vandersteen stands you could get the same result. There is a topic from @MattHooper

'Springs Under My Speakers: What's Happening?'

Feb 16, 2021

(Sorry I don't have speaker measuring equipment to post data. For now I just have to say "this is what I heard...any explanation"?)


I recently tried a "tweak" for footers under my speakers that has had fascinating results. And I'm wondering about the explanation.

I've never been big on trying out tweaks and footers for my speakers, only once in a very-long-while throwing something in to the mix.

But my experience building my turntable isolation platform, and employing the Townshend spring-based isolation pods under the platform did pique my curiosity about springs used in other...

• MattHooper
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decribing such decoupling with springs using Thiel speakers bit compareble with Vandersteen also Phase coherent an time alignt build.

One of the big advantages of the Vandersteen design (with its minimal baffle) is that, when positioned correctly and DSP corrected ( in my case because of horrible acoustics) voices don’t take on that “boxy” coloration I immediately notice with most conventional column speakers.

And since all Vandersteen speakers are inherently phase coherent and time aligned build by design, that’s likely why they remind me so much of electrostatic panel speakers delivering sort of holographic imaging and a natural midrange, but with the added benefit of a tight, well controlled low end when set up as described.

You can give it a try

 

[olds1959special]

I am trying my Vandersteen 2Ce Sig II’s with inline HP filters from Harrison. I think the 50 Hz is what I like the best but I have the 70 and 100 too. I am running them alongside two Klipsch R-121SWs with the LPF set at 80.