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USB 2.0 vs 3.0: Noticeable Sound Quality Difference

Hello everyone,

I’m facing a strange issue with my audio setup and I’d appreciate your insights.

My system consists of:
  • Amplifier: Yamaha A-S501
  • Speakers: Mission MX-3
  • DAC: Topping E30 II Lite (separately powered)
  • Source: PC running Windows 11, connected to the DAC via USB
Until recently, I was using a regular PC and the sound was excellent.

I switched to a fanless industrial HTPC (no-name, wanted to get rid of noisy fans), but to my surprise the sound quality dropped noticeably. Music now feels compressed and lacking dynamics.

To troubleshoot, I tested with a laptop and the sound was again very good. The only difference I noticed:
  • On the PC/laptop I was using a USB 3.0 port
  • On the HTPC I initially used a USB 2.0 port
When I tried the HTPC’s USB 3.0 port, the sound improved significantly, close to the original PC quality.

I always thought it was completely irrelevant which device sends the signal via USB to the DAC, since USB is digital and the DAC is the one converting the digital signal into analog audio. So I’m a bit confused.

Has anyone else experienced such differences in audio quality depending on USB port version? Could this be related to bandwidth, power delivery, or something else in the USB implementation?

Thanks in advance for any advice or explanations!
There are no sound differences between USB 2.0 and 3.0. This has been tested extensively.
If there is a difference, the problem lies with the source device or the cables. It's also well known that Windows computers have various background processes (sound cards, drivers, software, etc.) that can have an impact, as can contamination of the USB ports, although this should be rare nowadays.

The Topping E30 II Lite DAC, like almost all other HiFi DACs, always operates via USB 2.0, regardless of the port it's connected to. It makes no difference whether it's a USB 3.0 Type-A port or a USB 4.0 port with a USB-C connector; the transmission and protocol used are always USB 2.0.
To avoid problems with integrated circuits in the connectors, I generally recommend using genuine USB 2.0 cables for DACs, regardless of the connector type.
 
So is it correct to assume that in ASIO mode there should be no difference at all between the 2.0 and 3.0 ports?
Yes.
 
Without measurement data, I would not yet exclude that possibility. Analog issues are real, and things like galvanic isolation or noise may be the most likely culprits if you can hear a difference that easily.
The fact that, without playing any music, there was no audible noise from the speakers at a moderate to high volume - does that rule out the supposed hardware issues, or is it unrelated?
 
However, the difference should be quite hard to hear, not as easily discernible as presented here.
What I said: yes (the assumption of no difference with ASIO is right)
 
Maybe I didn’t express myself well: the differences I heard were not in ASIO mode, because I hadn’t installed the ASIO drivers yet at that time.
 
The fact that, without playing any music, there was no audible noise from the speakers at a moderate to high volume - does that rule out the supposed hardware issues, or is it unrelated?
The key about troubleshooting is to not eliminate possibilities until fully tested, and the absence of noise wouldn't lead me to eliminate hardware issues. If you are hearing clear differences, the USB or UAC or ASIO differences seem a bit too ethereal to cause it. I know I can't immediately detect a clear change in sound quality if I change to exclusive modes in Windows... which I have experimented with.

PS I don't use exclusive application mode (with Jriver for example) on my work oriented laptop because then I can't hear other notifications.. and it doesn't impact my enjoyment of music one bit.
 
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The key about troubleshooting is to not eliminate possibilities until fully tested, and the absence of noise wouldn't lead me to eliminate hardware issues. If you are hearing clear differences, the USB or UAC or ASIO differences seem a bit too ethereal to cause it. I know I can't immediately detect a clear change in sound quality if I change to exclusive modes in Windows... which I have experimented with.

PS I don't use exclusive application mode (with Jriver for example) on my work oriented laptop because then I can't hear other notifications.. and it doesn't impact my enjoyment one bit.
The next step should be a test sequence to establish the differences. Without that, we are collectively speculating. There are many people in here that measure things more routinely than I do, but I will recommend something later this morning. I think I could use that myself when I rotate gear, because... why not? :)
 
No. UAC1 is limited to 24/96. The E40 II Lite goes up to 768 kHz so it must use UAC2
Good point. Both PCs must be UAC2 if they connect to the Topping via USB. One could use optical to connect a UAC1 device (which makes the UAC type irrelevant), but clearly that's not what we're discussing.

PS: If possible, the OP could try to test an optical connection and see if that makes a difference. I know what won't give you 768kHz, but my posting history easily reveals I could live that way. :)
 
Error in sighted comparison = possible, yes.
 
Since I had had two meetings cancelled, I had a little time. I think it's also a fun set of data to have when one goes for comparisons between electronics in general.

Of course I invite the real measurement experts to chime in, this is just what I would do with my current level of ASR education... :) (so go easy on me!)

Since we are measuring analog output of the DAC (not vibes, not feelings, not “soundstage energy”):
• Speakers stay out of the test (the room has opinions - we don’t invite it)
• Amp stays out of the test (Yamaha gets the night off)
• We capture RCA output of the Topping (cold, hard electrons only)

1. Lock the digital path​

On both PCs:
  1. Install Topping USB driver (if used - yes, even if Windows “helpfully” says you don’t need it)
  2. Use WASAPI Exclusive (or ASIO) in your player (shared mode is where accuracy goes to die)
  3. Disable all DSP, EQ, volume normalization (no “enhancements”, “loudness”, or fairy dust)
  4. Set sample rate to match file (no resampling, no creative interpretation)
  5. Set DAC volume to fixed (100% - we don’t touch it again)
Then verify by playing a DTS test file - it must decode correctly downstream…
(or a 1 kHz sine if you prefer less violence)

If DTS breaks into digital shrieking, Windows touched the bits.
If it decodes cleanly, congratulations - the digital path is innocent.

We want to ensure identical digital PCM into the DAC, not “mostly identical, probably”.

2. Measurement gear/setup​


• MOTU M2 (or Scarlett 2i2 - science doesn’t care which logo we prefer)
• Good RCA → TRS cables (coat hangers need not apply)
• REW and/or Audacity (free software, unlike audiophile cables)

Physical setup

PC (test) > USB > Topping E30 II Lite
Topping RCA out > Audio interface line-in

• Do not connect the Yamaha or speakers (they add drama, not data)
• Same RCA cables for both tests (no cable rolling, please)
• Same USB cable (this is about stopping arguments, not starting new ones)

3. Level match (non-negotiable)​

Play a 1 kHz sine at -3 dBFS

In REW:
• Measure RMS level
• Adjust interface input gain until both PCs measure within 0.05 dB

We don’t skip this.
If levels differ, louder will “sound better” - invalid test.

4. Baseline capture​


For PC #1:

Record:
60 seconds of silence (yes, silence is very informative)
60 seconds of 1 kHz tone
60 seconds of multitone

Save as:
PC1_silence.wav
PC1_tone.wav
PC1_sweep.wav

5. Repeat above for PC #2​

And save as:
PC2_silence.wav
PC2_tone.wav
PC2_sweep.wav

Resist the urge to “optimize” anything in between.

6. Null test (the kill shot)​

In Audacity or REW:
  1. Align PC1 and PC2 recordings (sample-accurate, no vibes-based alignment)
  2. Invert polarity of PC2
  3. Sum PC1 + inverted PC2
Interpretation:
• Residual below -90 dBFS = identical for all human and most alien ears
• Residual shows broadband noise = probably power or grounding
• Residual shows tones = clocking or EMI doing something silly

With E30 II Lite, expect minimal residual near the ADC noise floor.

6. Noise spectrum comparison​


Compare silence captures and check for:
• 50/60 Hz hum (hello, power grid)
• USB packet noise (~1 kHz multiples)
• RF hash (10–100 kHz, where gremlins live)

Expectation:
• Differences <5 dB at < -100 dBFS = irrelevant, inaudible, and not worth arguing about

7. Expected result​


Prediction:
• Null below -100 dBFS
• No spectral differences

If after all this someone still hears a difference…
…it’s not the computers. It’s expectation bias then - the most powerful audio component ever invented. :)
 
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I admire your diligence. Myself, being a lazy ass, I would take the ASIO route and "let God be a good man" :)
 
Does the way a USB port is implemented matter? Could one port be ‘cleaner’ than another? Is that even a thing when we’re talking about a digital interface like USB?
No, not really. One port would have to be essentially broken for the electrical noise to bleed into the DAC output this way. I think it's much more likely you have a software problem in Windows somewhere.
 
I read this as you have done a sighted test.
If this is the case, try a unsighted test as you won't be the first (nor the last) who is fooled by one's own perception.
Although I didn’t really want to try it again because the difference seemed obvious the first time, I went home and did several blind tests and… surprise: I can’t detect even the slightest difference now. What’s strange is that I clearly remember how bad the same USB 2.0 port sounded before.The only thing I’ve changed since then was installing the official Topping drivers, but I think those were only for ASIO.Honestly, I have no idea what to say anymore… I can’t believe it’s the same port.Thanks to everyone for the help and involvement.
 
Although I didn’t really want to try it again because the difference seemed obvious the first time, I went home and did several blind tests and… surprise: I can’t detect even the slightest difference now. What’s strange is that I clearly remember how bad the same USB 2.0 port sounded before.The only thing I’ve changed since then was installing the official Topping drivers, but I think those were only for ASIO.Honestly, I have no idea what to say anymore… I can’t believe it’s the same port.Thanks to everyone for the help and involvement.
If there really was a truly obvious problem, my guess would be a sample rate mismatch of some kind due to the drivers not being installed... but glad to hear it's sorted now!
 
Although I didn’t really want to try it again because the difference seemed obvious the first time, I went home and did several blind tests and… surprise: I can’t detect even the slightest difference now. What’s strange is that I clearly remember how bad the same USB 2.0 port sounded before.The only thing I’ve changed since then was installing the official Topping drivers, but I think those were only for ASIO.Honestly, I have no idea what to say anymore… I can’t believe it’s the same port.Thanks to everyone for the help and involvement.

That's a FAR more desirable outcome than going through the measurement pain... :-)

Congrats on getting it all working! I am amazed driver differences were so obvious, and yet - audio is not an exact science all the time.

At times, when music didn't lift my mood, I blamed equipment ("this amp must have dying capacitors, I need a new one") - not my very own state of mind. :-)

I also admit to once destroying a piece of expensive equipment with a hammer, only to later discover I just misconfigured things and didn't follow the user's manual. Too much vino that night after a crappy day and that piece of equipment was the only thing I was looking forward to. Ouch. Double hangover effect can be really bad. :-D
 
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