Us vs Them is it just envy!

[Purité Audio]

http://archimago.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/musings-audiophiles-us-vs-them.html

Keith.

 

[Thomas savage]

no its not. in HiFI you all have nurtured a culture of no one ever being wrong, you can be a expert just by buying a 50k TT or flying round the world listening to odd ball audiophiles systems. its like the early days of IT, you only have to know how to defrag a hard drive and jo blogs thinks your king. same in HiFi, people get intimidated because their knowledge is non existent, their interest in sound quality is also non existent.

so you have all these babied guys who have never been challenged, who have ego's the size of krell monoblocks throwing money about and thinking they have super listening powers its pure fantasy. (subjectivists)

the reaction to this from the objectivist mind is outrage and ridicule in one flavour or another. but these guys are not whiter that white, normally they are on some kind of crusade. some kind of ill conceived quest for recognition. they seem often to lack the required intellectual challenge in their regular lives and hijack the world of audio in search of this. also in search for a ordered and safe word. the same kind of motivation as the subjectivist. infact most of these guys have little knowledge instead they delude themselves with the notion that all they need is common sense and 'logic'. this would be fine of course except they have total conviction that what they believe is true\fact, in reality its no more informed than the average subjectivist listener based guy.

dealing with these two types of 'limited' ' fanatical' ' fundamentalist' types of objectivists and subjectivists is not something real knowledgeable people want to do, its not challenging anything but their patients. so unless they are helping market a product of theirs you won't find them here.

what makes me laugh is the amount of glorious disfunction on both sides, with each believing they are superior to the other... when in fact they are more alike than either would like to admit. all rather dysfunctional and in need of help imo.

the audiophile world is a true celebration of ignorance and dysfunction. nothing wrong with that, but its a real shame many who are involved leave no room for being wrong.. that's the problem on both sides.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

no its not. in HiFI you all have nurtured a culture of no one ever being wrong, you can be a expert just by buying a 50k TT or flying round the world listening to odd ball audiophiles systems. its like the early days of IT, you only have to know how to defrag a hard drive and jo blogs thinks your king. same in HiFi, people get intimidated because their knowledge is non existent, their interest in sound quality is also non existent.

so you have all these babied guys who have never been challenged, who have ego's the size of krell monoblocks throwing money about and thinking they have super listening powers its pure fantasy. (subjectivists)

the reaction to this from the objectivist mind is outrage and ridicule in one flavour or another. but these guys are not whiter that white, normally they are on some kind of crusade. some kind of ill conceived quest for recognition. they seem often to lack the required intellectual challenge in their regular lives and hijack the world of audio in search of this. also in search for a ordered and safe word. the same kind of motivation as the subjectivist. infact most of these guys have little knowledge instead they delude themselves with the notion that all they need is common sense and 'logic'. this would be fine of course except they have total conviction that what they believe is true\fact, in reality its no more informed than the average subjectivist listener based guy.

dealing with these two types of 'limited' ' fanatical' ' fundamentalist' types of objectivists and subjectivists is not something real knowledgeable people want to do, its not challenging anything but their patients. so unless they are helping market a product of theirs you won't find them here.

what makes me laugh is the amount of glorious disfunction on both sides, with each believing they are superior to the other... when in fact they are more alike than either would like to admit. all rather dysfunctional and in need of help imo.

the audiophile world is a true celebration of ignorance and dysfunction. nothing wrong with that, but its a real shame many who are involved leave no room for being wrong.. that's the problem on both sides.

Sounds like politics.

Tim

 

[Thomas savage]

Sounds like politics.

Tim

sounds like humans these behaviours are not restricted to audiophiles. needing some kind of infrastructure physical and ideological to invest in and believe in totally.

 

[amirm]

Thomas says it all. The extreme sides of this debate are not pretty or defensible. Not said is the undercurrent of social media. Just like road rage in driving, ability to post and comment in forums and blogs puts one in situations that don't work the same in real life. With no owner's manual of how to do that, we become victim of the medium which aggravates the situation to no end.

My hope with this forum is that we don't act like "orthodox objectivists." That we are open, friendly, and are here to have fun. It is through this which we neuter the social aspects of this which compounds and destroys the camaraderie which should exist around the final objective of the hobby, which is to enjoy music.

To be sure however, we will have a true north, a compass, which is guided not by gravity but body of audio science and engineering. This, combined with social activity being a fun hobby of its own, should guide us to the righteous land.

 

[Thomas savage]

i am sure you meant promised land lets leave righteousness at the door, its the precursor to all crimes against humanity.

(that said my posts often wreak of righteousness but its ok because i am special)

 

[Purité Audio]

Actually I only saw that piece whilst looking at his latest on the HiFi 'cable buyers guide' which is frankly much more interesting.
http://archimago.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/musings-cable-claims-testimony-buyers.html#more

Keith.