I do wonder if they are much different than what Denon includes calling them "Rock Arena and Jazz Club"?
Hey thanks for this! I've been looking since a long time for some experience from the Anthem up-mixers, but it's very hard to find something on the internet about them. Could you tell us maybe a bit more about the sound signature from the Anthem up-mixers compared to the Dolby and DTS one's? That would be really great! And is it able to use the Anthem up-mixers also on a 3D speaker setup? I remember when I asked Anthem about them for the MRX720, they told me it's only applicable if you are using a speaker setup with only the base layer, like 5.1, 7.1 etc. Not usable on a setup like 5.1.2 for example.
You're welcome. The upmixers on the current Anthem units are no longer confined to the bed speakers. They can and do employ the heights if those are enabled in the speaker profile currently in use. Mine is a 7.1.4 setup, so I speak from personal experience when I say this. From Sal's comment, my guess is that he has never personally experienced AnthemLogic. It is nothing at all as he surmises.
You are correct, I've never heard the Anthem's proprietary codings, I was simply expressing a curiosity.
It seemed likely to me that you hadn't experienced a system running AnthemLogic from your conjecture that it was possibly similar to Denon's "Rock Arena" and "Jazz Club" options, since those rely primarily on reverb/echo effects to alter the virtual acoustic space. AnthemLogic doesn't do that at all.
There are no real configuration options for any of those upmixer formats save Auro which just adjusts the amount of reverb and its delay time. DSU allows mixing the center back into the mains (no amounts to adjust like PLII). I don't think Neural X has any direct options (you can disable speakers in setup if you don't want them used). It's nothing like the settings Logic 7 offered under older Lexicon or even PLIIx.
There so many minor tweaks outside the app that can be addressed for upmixing with Dolby or DTS like individual speaker levels, etc but for Auro2D or 3D config a few points.
I was just talking about this this topic to someone. I remember Neural-X being mentioned a lot on the Internet and it is still my preferred upmixer. Dolby might be the most accurate, Neural-X is close but a bit more fun. From my brief testing with Auro 3D, it is similar to Neural-X but even more aggressive and that's just a bit too much. But that's for movies, I don't know what it's like for music.
Auro-3D's upmixer mostly just copies the lower speakers into the higher speakers and adds a bit of reverb. There are settings for how much and how big.
Interesting. That would explain why Neural X seems to work the best for movies.
I upmix all 2-channel music using Anthem Music Logic on my AVM 70. It’s excellent, naturally extending the soundstage and adding more contour to the bass range, at least in my setup. I have a 9.2.2 system, and MusicLogic makes subtle but effective use of my wide channels, front heights, and surround channels to enhance the sense of space—the width, depth, AND height of the soundstage and the intangible sense of space in the music. It turns off the center favoring the front mains, which I prefer, as it helps to maintain the “weight” and size of the center image in my setup. No reverb is used, but it does seem to boost the bass in a very satisfying way. The effect is subtle snd I forget that it’s on until I turn it off, at which point the music collapses and feel flat; or, when I switch to Dolby Surround, when, depending on the music and my mood, it will either sound amazing or “too much” . Sometimes Dolby Surround is convincing and just fun to listen to, but I always revert back to Music Logic as my default mode. For reference, I’ve also tried Audo3d on a Monoprice HTP1 and I didn’t get what all the fuss was about. I used Lexicons Logic7 back in the day in a far less sophisticated setup and never fully realized its supposed potential. Anyway, I don’t think Anthem gets enough press for its upmixers, which seem aimed at enthusiasts who favor stereo and want to preserve the integrity of the stereo mastering but want to make use of their extra channels.
I think it depends. Sometimes it's too much. I use it when it's a movie that benefits from "big wall of sound".
If by that you mean Dolby Surround leaves most of the sounds at ear level, OK, but otherwise you've lost me. Neural X spaces sounds precisely in the vertical plane. It sounds very much like Atmos/X, not a vertical stretch here.
My recent experiences of Neural-X, especially with DTS-HD in general and Nolan movies in particular are that it's a little aggressive but not insane.
