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For a second I thought you said Bollockbuster.
That’s a 1980s hit by German band, Accept. It’s about politics.
For a second I thought you said Bollockbuster.
I'm glad you said it Frank, they won't listen to me any more. LOLBut that is easily heard on an inexpensive CD player.
I have 4 record players, one of which is IMO the best ever made, and I only use them when a piece of music I want to listen to I only have on LP. For revealing details and low noise a CD has been better than LPs for decades IME, and I designed record players in the old days so they are actually the only part of a hifi I have an intimate and deep knowledge of.
A very sad statement on todays society.Gender is a thing of the past.
I don't think ultimate sound quality is what listening to vinyl is about ..... but in many cases it can offer the "best recorded music listening experience". As far as "dead end alley chasing sound quality" goes digital is the ultimate dead end... it is what it is and it will never change better or worse. I know for me my enjoyment of this crazy hobby would be greatly diminished if I only had digital or only had vinyl play back capabilities. I would not want to discourage "new people" from trying vinyl playback if they are interested. It does not have to be expensive to get started.New people who have never owned vinyl before that are going out spending huge amounts of money chasing sound quality are heading down a dead end ally.
Vinyl is too weak for some complex electro and metal music,
Vinyl is a financial dead end. It will never approach digital in being able to reproduce the sound of the master recording from which it is cut. That's just the facts.I don't think ultimate sound quality is what listening to vinyl is about ..... but in many cases it can offer the "best recorded music listening experience". As far as "dead end alley chasing sound quality" goes digital is the ultimate dead end... it is what it is and it will never change better or worse. I know for me my enjoyment of this crazy hobby would be greatly diminished if I only had digital or only had vinyl play back capabilities. I would not want to discourage "new people" from trying vinyl playback if they are interested. It does not have to be expensive to get started.
My experience couldn't disagree more.
I'm a big fan of electronic music - from simple to complex - and my digital and vinyl library is full of it. At least on my playback system, most electronica LPs come across with essentially "perfect" clarity, by which I mean every instrument part is clean, clear and discernable, no matter how tiny, quiet, or far in the background. In fact, some of the instruments seem to "pop" with a bit more clarity in my newly acquired vinyl versions of stuff that I've owned digitally. I'm so enthralled with how electronic music sounds on vinyl that I'm buying up quite a bit of the vinyl versions of my digital electronica.
As for metal...again...if you are talking about just distortion-guitar based rock...then once again my experience is different. I haven't listened to so much rock/metal music for decades, as I am now that I got a really good turntable. Vinyl to my ear (and I've seen many express the same sentiment) just seems to "love" rock music. I was a huge Rush fan but stopped listening long ago, though I'd occasionally put on some of a Rush CD (ripped/streamed). But the re-mastered Rush on vinyl is just killer! It just seems to have a combination of texture, presence, punch and aliveness that bursts through the speakers, and again...every nuance of every guitar, everything in the mix, beautifully clear. I keep digging out older rock/metal albums from Def Leopard to Max Webster and I am blown away by the sound - so huge, rich, spacious, dense.
I don't mean to just say "you are wrong" because you may of course have a perfectly legitimate criteria that you find vinyl doesn't fulfill with the music you listen to. I'm just trading notes on this.
Whilst I don't disagree with the above, I think there's more to playing vinyl (or tape), than just sound quality. Of course digital outperforms analogue in every way possible, but that misses the point. I already have 'speakers that are about as good as I can get into my room. I already have DSP EQ and a digital streamer, so any money spent on LPs or vinyl playback doesn't impinge on the quality of my digital playback. I play LPs (and '78s ) both for the musical content (especially 78s, few have been (or are worth) transcribing to digital) and for the inability to get digital versions of my LPs. This is especially true of my growing collection of Quadraphonic LPs, which have never been released digitally except a very few by mistake. And anyway, 5.1 remixes are not the same as a 4.0 quadraphonic mix.Vinyl is a financial dead end. It will never approach digital in being able to reproduce the sound of the master recording from which it is cut. That's just the facts.
So then it becomes a matter of cost and your personal finance. If you only want to spend a couple hundred on a TT plus a few records to play with, fine. But remember that every penny spent on it instead of better speakers, or some DSP, or room treatment, or more digital music is just money thrown down the toilet on a toy and not getting the best HiFi you can for the dollar spent. If you can afford to do that, fine, we all have our vices.
But PLEASE don't become a Mickey Fremer spreading the gospel of the glorious superior sound of analog and the LP (or SET amps). He makes a living from doing that, you won't, and will only be misguiding new enters into the hobby.
While it is a "fact" that digital has the "potential" to reproduce the sound of the master recording more accurately than vinyl in the real world this does not always happen. Master tapes that were lost or damaged before they could be transferred to digital and the current mastering / remastering choices that are made for digital recordings are two common reasons digital often does not live up to it's potential.Vinyl is a financial dead end. It will never approach digital in being able to reproduce the sound of the master recording from which it is cut. That's just the facts.
OK, so what do you think the "real world" numbers are on those recordings? And of them, how many are ones that you just can't live without that would make it worth spending thousands to tens of thousands of dollars on vinyl gear for?While it is a "fact" that digital has the "potential" to reproduce the sound of the master recording more accurately than vinyl in the real world this does not always happen. Master tapes that were lost or damaged before they could be transferred to digital and the current mastering / remastering choices that are made for digital recordings are two common reasons digital often does not live up to it's potential.
Maybe so, but my intent is only to inform readers of the most economical path to the best possible High Fidelity available. You can't dispute the points I've made.ay every penny spent on vinyl playback hardware is "wasted/thrown down the toilet" strikes me as being as dogmatic and Mr. Fremer and his analog dogma.
Along with pops, clicks, surface noise, mono'd, level limited, and rolled off bass, soft high end, limited separation, must I go on?Then I put on an LP I just received and was absolutely knocked out by the sound quality.
If you look at post #3 in this thread I gave a numberless breakdown of how I would rate my experience, putting entirely made up numbers on it now I'd say it's something like the following.OK, so what do you think the "real world" numbers are on those recordings? And of them, how many are ones that you just can't live without that would make it worth spending thousands to tens of thousands of dollars on vinyl gear for?
Along with pops, clicks, surface noise, mono'd, level limited, and rolled off bass, soft high end, limited separation, must I go on?
https://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mastering-for-vinyl--cms-29480
Extremely fragile and sound quality deteriorates with each use.
Same things many say about tube preamps, SET amps, etc. All those various distortions add up to smooth the rough edges and return glorious sound. They never were any good at all doing multich in any case. LOLAs we've gone through over and over...one can talk about what is technically the case, but how it ends up translating in audible terms can be a different thing altogether.
A pub and record shop in a bath house?I even found a pub in bath that has a record fair every Sunday...
The Bell InnA pub and record shop in a bath house?
Was it a gay pub?
Thomas, I never knew?
Not to worry, it can happen to anyone.I do have a habit of walking into gay pubs totally unwittingly ha ha