If you can find and check other threads concerning vinyl and digital DR, I'd ask you to trey to see where that brick-wall compression is in terms of frequency as it may just be in th ebass - may beIt's not any audiophile type of music, it's one of my favorite noise rock bands The Jesus Lizard who released their first record in 26 years.
Their older records had great dynamic productions (recorded by Steve Albini) that usually landed around 16-20 dB in the crest factor, while the new record is highly limited to 7.5-9.5 dB. The problem with that is that it sounds flat and harsh when played loud in opposite to the fully dynamic older records that just sounded better and better the louder they were played. I have no idea why they did go for loudness for the new album as they are hardly the band that will compete for the top 20 charts on the radio.
I have not seen any analyses of the vinyl version so it's still a risk that the same dynamically limited master was used for the vinyl as well, but it's still a chance they made a specific master for the vinyl which could be better. At least I hope that's the case.
This is one of the tracks from the digital download of the new album, it has an integrated loudness level of just -4.2 LUFS.
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. One example in that thread showed how a track improved in DR simply by maing it ready for vinyl cutting - monoing bass below 100Hz or so, rolling off everything below 40Hz, de-essing a little and rolling off above 15kHz which apparently is because some real-time cutting heads don't like things too hot up there...Yes. If you try to slow the motor its torque will increase to maintain speed which is locked to the drive frequency until you reach stalling torque.
ac motors without frequency regulation "slip" in effect with frequency ...and it's not so trivial, even if relatively slowly, because for example in my country this happens at +-0.1% "guarantie" on 50hz...significant on the final result. . grosso merdo +-0.03rpm in my case...( in fact generally +-0.02rpm)
If you can find and check other threads concerning vinyl and digital DR, I'd ask you to trey to see where that brick-wall compression is in terms of frequency as it may just be in th ebass - may be
Fair point - for a live feed of the GB grid frequency see http://mainsfrequency.uk/live600. It could contribute to wow.
I wish you good luck with your endeavours. I seriously don't think you'd need to spend too much on a half decent turntable/cartridge to accurately get the info you need either. The £200 or so ProJect Primary e would arguably be enough and might surprise you and I how capable it is if properly sited (it's unlikely to be awful and I for one don't mind the motor in the top left corner making speed change easy either and you've no doubt read my s**t as regards an OM stylus upgrade later).This is a bit funny because it was me who showed how the DR can go up by applying those things in that long vinyl thread.
The thing is that I record my music, mix it, and master it and it’s of similar style as the music The Jesus Lizard plays, so I know where that type of music lands when it’s a raw mix before any overall dynamic reduction is done in mastering. It usually lands somewhere between -17 to -20 dB in crest factor, but the songs on the new Lizard album only has a crest factor between -7 to -10 dB and -17 or up to -20 dB can’t be reached by only applying mono bass, de-easing, and so on. So if I buy a turntable and rip the Lizard record and the songs end up with a crest factor that is way above say -14 dB at -17 to -20 dB, I know that is a different master than the digital release, otherwise it’s likely the same master.
If you can find and check other threads concerning vinyl and digital DR, I'd ask you to trey to see where that brick-wall compression is in terms of frequency as it may just be in th ebass - may be
You listen to bass in mono anyway (that's the foundation for subwoofers) and unless you're under 30 years old, frequencies above 15khz are normally inaudible.
(and I don't know ... the new generations with plastic earbuds at insane volume in the public transport many hours by day ... mmm)
So, there's no any problem for me with records
The things you mention can certainly be true, but the things @DSJR and I am talking about are the measurements of vinyl that often show a 3-4 dB higher dynamic range than what it really is.
The crest factor goes up when the bass is made mono, a high-pass filter is used, and a De-esser is applied in the preparation of the vinyl master. You can therefore never make an apple-to-apple comparison of the dynamic range reading of a vinyl rip vs the digital version, as the digital version will always stay the same as the master file while the vinyl rip will almost always show a higher dynamic range than the digital master used when making the vinyl.
When a vinyl rip “only” shows a 3 to 4 dB higher dynamic range than the digital version, you can pretty much assume they come from the same master track and the vinyl will likely not sound any more dynamic than the digital version. But if the difference is larger than that, it's possible that the vinyl master truly was more dynamic than the master used for the digital format.
I find it a little complicated to explain it all in such a short reply like this.
Yeh I picked up those T&G reissues in '09 and they're great, but I don't know how they compare to the originals. I also don't think I have any Ipecac pressings to compare. From what I've read quality control on the vinyl is so-so....they should have let Bob Weston at Chicago Mastering Service do it instead as he would have never gone for that loudness level.
...Maybe I should send an email and ask the mastering engineer about it.
I already have the high-res version...
It's best to not use the dustcover while playing records. Also, the location of the turntable will affect its response to footfalls. I've never tried this, but I understand that a shelf attached to a wall can greatly reduce this problem. Then again, this is but one of many reasons why I eventually gave up on LPs/turntables after many decades. I had better luck in this particular regard with a direct-drive Technics 'table with a Shure M44-7 cartridge tracking at 3 grams. That turntable did not have a working dustcover.
