That's the thought I'm having TBH-the Pure sounds very nice, and but there is absolutely a loss of fidelity compared to the Nova, Gate etc. It's all trade offs though-listening to a rough 1930s jazz recording on a Harman IE 2019 type iem is not pleasant!
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I don’t hear a loss in fidelity, TBH. As far as I can tell its FR is within the Harmon curve. But whatever your prefrences, some ears like warm, some like bright. I like to listen to both bright and warm devices, depending on my mood.
Valid arguments could made for a wide range of tuning styles, within reason. That's why I'm pushing back on the idea that one certain tuning style is inherently broken, especially if a sizable segment prefers it in formal tests.
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Got my Pure today and wow it sounds awesome so far. I have been listening to known albums for a couple of hours and the balance is excellent. Definitely a very good 1st impression. Build and finish are excellent too, fits extremely comfortable using the included M dark grey tips, which seem slightly larger bore than the included black tips.
The next few days I will compare it with the Red and my reference system. So far I would say that bass and mids are spot on, and highs slightly hotter than the Red, but both are going to be evaluated against my reference system.
Edit: black narrow tips is a lot better! Measurements from the video.
Edit 2: comparing to my reference system, similar to what I did to the Daybreak, even with black tips I would still reduce a dB or 2 of the highs like > 7 kHz, and add more bass like another dB < 80 Hz or so. But I think it may replace my beloved Red as my reference IEMs. To be continued!
The next few days I will compare it with the Red and my reference system. So far I would say that bass and mids are spot on, and highs slightly hotter than the Red, but both are going to be evaluated against my reference system.
Edit: black narrow tips is a lot better! Measurements from the video.
Edit 2: comparing to my reference system, similar to what I did to the Daybreak, even with black tips I would still reduce a dB or 2 of the highs like > 7 kHz, and add more bass like another dB < 80 Hz or so. But I think it may replace my beloved Red as my reference IEMs. To be continued!
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Just updating, the Pure indeed became my main reference IEM. I still wish a tiny bit more bass, though EQ could solve this easily with a low Q wide band gain, although I did not experiment yet.
As for comfort I wish the outer edges were not as sharp. It is not enough to cut but still unnecessary sharp, a tiny bevel would make it perfect.
Also wish it came with 3.5 + 4.4 mm swappable plug, the additional cost is next to nothing anyway... And black cable too. But this is a minor complaint.
Overall 9.5/10, love it.
As for comfort I wish the outer edges were not as sharp. It is not enough to cut but still unnecessary sharp, a tiny bevel would make it perfect.
Also wish it came with 3.5 + 4.4 mm swappable plug, the additional cost is next to nothing anyway... And black cable too. But this is a minor complaint.
Overall 9.5/10, love it.
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Just ordered the Pure, only €63 thanks to 11.11 promo price + coupon + coins.
It's a long time since my last iem purchase and I was almost sure I wouldn't get new ones, being already fully satisfied with the majority of the others I own, but I took the chance at this convenient price to try this slightly different, more "relaxed", tuning style.
Hope they will fit, I'm a bit concerned since I tried Hexa long ago and couldn't get decent seal in any way, but now I have much more different eartips and cables to try, so finger crossed.
It's a long time since my last iem purchase and I was almost sure I wouldn't get new ones, being already fully satisfied with the majority of the others I own, but I took the chance at this convenient price to try this slightly different, more "relaxed", tuning style.
Hope they will fit, I'm a bit concerned since I tried Hexa long ago and couldn't get decent seal in any way, but now I have much more different eartips and cables to try, so finger crossed.
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Pure is the closest an IEM sounded to my main system, whatever the target lines say. Happy with it since then.
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Btw Pure is now 23% off on Truthear Official Store on AliExpress plus cupons apply, a significant discount. Enjoy your Black Friday sales.
Finally managed to get my Pure delivered.
First quick impressions:
- As i suspected from previous Hexa experience, still some fit issues: I usually have to use large tips to get good seal with many iems but with Pure i have to scale down to smaller ones, probably due to their nozzle length and internal body shape. At the moment i got a nice seal with Tri Clarion Mid tips, but this brings up some other considerations (see below)
- I have to rotate the iems backward a lot to get good seal, something I usually have to do with all iems due to my ear canal angle, but Pure need more than the ear-hooks of the cable permit, so i have to straighten them a bit or try a different cable.
- With good seal and small bore tips, like TRN T, they sound great, very neutral and warm as i was expecting and searching, but not dark. Unfortunately with that tips they tend to slowly loose seal with normal jaw micro-movements. With Tri Clarion M the seal is perfect and steady, but the sound seems a bit muffled. Tri Clarion have very wide bore and I think my experience matches with what Crinacle measured
5db in that 8k-10k range can make a difference in an already warmish iem.
These are very quick impressions, I have to fiddle more with other tips and the ear-hooks, anyway I think i can get them right.
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It seems I managed to get a good result with these super cheap no brand tips i got long ago
just like it was for the Zero:Red
For my ears both IEMS seem to need slightly longer tips, the Large sized of these ones are 10.7 mm long while most of the ones I normally use are around 9-9.5mm (TRN T, Kbear 07). Tri Clarion also are around 9 mm long but their peculiar shape makes up for it.
First quick impressions:
- As i suspected from previous Hexa experience, still some fit issues: I usually have to use large tips to get good seal with many iems but with Pure i have to scale down to smaller ones, probably due to their nozzle length and internal body shape. At the moment i got a nice seal with Tri Clarion Mid tips, but this brings up some other considerations (see below)
- I have to rotate the iems backward a lot to get good seal, something I usually have to do with all iems due to my ear canal angle, but Pure need more than the ear-hooks of the cable permit, so i have to straighten them a bit or try a different cable.
- With good seal and small bore tips, like TRN T, they sound great, very neutral and warm as i was expecting and searching, but not dark. Unfortunately with that tips they tend to slowly loose seal with normal jaw micro-movements. With Tri Clarion M the seal is perfect and steady, but the sound seems a bit muffled. Tri Clarion have very wide bore and I think my experience matches with what Crinacle measured
5db in that 8k-10k range can make a difference in an already warmish iem.
These are very quick impressions, I have to fiddle more with other tips and the ear-hooks, anyway I think i can get them right.
[EDIT]
It seems I managed to get a good result with these super cheap no brand tips i got long ago
just like it was for the Zero:Red
For my ears both IEMS seem to need slightly longer tips, the Large sized of these ones are 10.7 mm long while most of the ones I normally use are around 9-9.5mm (TRN T, Kbear 07). Tri Clarion also are around 9 mm long but their peculiar shape makes up for it.
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After a bit of work i finally found the right combination for Pure with my ears.
The cheap no name tips i mentioned seemed initially right but nope. they weren't fully sealing and iems weren't perfectly stable, and tips length doesn't really matter.
The nozzle length and width really need smaller tips than usual to get fully inserted in my deeper ear canals, and having the full set of Kbear 07 that came with Sonus, I finally found that the M size (the white ones, 12,6 mm) work perfectly (i normally use the large yellow ones 13,7 mm).
Now seal is perfect, iems are rock solid stable, and I can only say that they sound fantastic, extremely balanced, full bodied but still clear and detailed, nothing appears out of place even at higher volume, I'm really loving them.
Shit happened and one of my Thieaudio Monarch MK3 piece has found itself in the liquid (don't ask which one) and now it plays much more quite than another half. So I'm looking for a replacement. Is there a sense to spend 500 or even 1000 USD/EUR for reference IEM or will I be perfectly happy with any of Truthear IEMs? I will be using it with Neutron DAC/AMP with DSP turned on. I'm thinking about Nova.
Yikes. Really sh*tty that you just missed Black Friday sales too... You won't need to spend more than $200 though; I would suggest the CrinEar Daybreak over the Truthear IEM options (FYI, I own Zero Blue, Red, Hexa, and Nova). It's basically a better Hexa and probably the biggest bang/buck IEM on the market today, IMO of course.
Daybreak is another option I'm looking at, thanks for confirming
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If only they had a Nova like shell with Pure like tuning + more bass...
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I received my Daybreak about a week ago, and for the €120 I paid during Black Friday they’re not bad IEMs. That said, they don’t really stand out in any particular area for me, and the treble detail doesn’t feel especially good.Daybreak is another option I'm looking at, thanks for confirming
For an extra €65 (total €185), I bought the Odyssey 2 a month ago, and honestly they outperform the Daybreak in absolutely everything. In fact, I can say it’s been a long time since a pair of IEMs surprised me this much.
the monarch mk3 has a very different tuning than the nova, the nova is more target-compliant/neutral. i own both, sold the mk3 thats my take.
and no, i dont want to spend 1k on iems anymore. id rather top up and spend 2k on headphones like the dca e3. much bigger roi than an iem.
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Whereabouts in the world are you?, I’m selling my Xenns tea pro (unmarked/all original packaging) for £200. Just sold my Crinear meta that would’ve been an option
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