I do not know about distance explicitly, but you should be able to change the delay in ms, which is basically the same thing (about 1 foot per ms).
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Trinnov Altitude 16 Review (AV Processor)
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For my need I have to change with negative delay.
It is not possible.
I should put the positive value of delay to all speakers but I wish to avoid that because global delay (image/sound) should be impacted.
Yah, as long as the minimum is 0 (or more likely some tiny number for processing delay) it should work OK. I assumed it would minimize latency by delaying everything as little as possible to match the speaker furthest from the listening position but do not know.The Monolith HTP-1 allows you to provides negative user correction as long as the delay is positive.
A really smart processor could allow negative delay by just adding the delay to the video.
Most every system I have seen assumes video processing takes longer than audio and only allows audio delay. That is based upon a little research years ago, though, so take with a grain of salt. I suspect it is more difficult to delay video (processing more involved) but again way outside my area of expertise.
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@amirm the next time you review a DSP unit, would you be able to include some comments on the DSP part. Nobody buys a Trinnov or MiniDSP because of the quality of the DAC, they buy it for the DSP. There is a lot to say about the hardware (does it have adequate processing power? Are you limited to IIR's?), software (easy to use? Does it hide controls from the user? Does it require proprietary filters?), and whether it actually does its job.
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Yes. I will compliment one company, Storm Audio. When I asked about their DSP, I got a detailed answer and an offer to give even more detail if I wanted. Some of the other companies are evasive.
You talk about hardware or software ?
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Hardware.
This post bespeaks the entire problem with the site and a large part of the readers. There's a clear mindset here that absolute numbers on basic input/output is the ONLY thing that matters in the entire flipping world.
This poor guy obviously believes that and is utterly confused as to why anybody in their right mind would buy this product. The mere fact even a single reader comes to such a ridiculous conclusion shows what exactly is missing on this site and how readers obviously need a LOT more background information and education on Dolby Atmos and what products like this can actually do compared to other products.
Nowhere in the review is it mentioned that this product can handle 20-channels of Atmos or DTS:X. The number of speakers and channels supported is probably the #1 feature looked at in high-end home theater products followed by its room correction options and DSP abilities.
Throw in the fact Trinnov has upgraded models from 2014 to all the decoding features in 2024 at no cost and you start to get a slightly better picture of the type of product you're dealing with. Other home theater owners may have gone through 2-4 units during that time to get newer decoding formats, starting with Auro-3D and DTS:X and later Imax Enhanced, more channels (Top AVRs are still limited to no more than 15.4 channels) or better room correction software.
Trinnov supported 32-channels in Atmos in 2014 (now the full 34) in the Altitude32 and to this day is the ONLY manufacturer that does a full decade later! (Storm comes closest at 24 decoded channels). Then there's the DSP level of being able to act as a crossover for digital speakers and room correction rated as high or better than DIRAC along with new wave forming tech to get rid of standing bass waves entirely for dead even bass throughout the room.
In short, you aren't paying $17k for the best SINAD (Beyond 100dB it's all inaudible anyway). You're paying for world class features to make the best home theater available. There's a helluva lot more to home theater than just flipping SINAD and DAC linearity! But you'd never know that just reading this site alone!
I see so many farking STUPID comments on here like, "What a shame the HTP-1 is such a terrible disaster! I'm glad I read this review and avoided that lemon!" Oddly, it did have some terrible issues early on, but none were mentioned on here.... Its headless panther was awarded purely on nonsensical horse manure. Amir expects headphone DAC performance on an AVP.
If it's so easy to design something that complex to perform like a headphone DAC, I honestly he should apply for a job at one of these companies as lead engineer! I think he'd be on for one hell of a rude awakening. It's a thousand times easier to measure and complain than to design.
Frankly, his site has encouraged companies to waste money over engineering such things to avoid a bad review than spend them on things that actually matter instead (like fixing software bugs - see Emotiva and Monoprice) or on the case of newer D&M products, you're paying a considerably higher price for those (worthless) numbers that have zero effect on audible sound.
Thanks. I wanted to pay an extra 2 grand on a A1H or Cinema10 to make Amir happy....
Did you even read my post? It clearly states the exact opposite
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Still ridiculously expensive. The difference between "world class" home theater vs. a bit less than "world class" home theater is not worth 14k usd price difference to > 99% of home theater buyers. These audio forums are niche anyways, as is a trinnov av processor
Not so sure this is true. I have done some AB testing with level matching between a DAC with Sinad of 100 dB vs one with 110 dB or higher. And I was able to distinguish a difference. While difference wasn't huge of course it was actually quite easy to hear with the right music material.
There's a possibility that the audible difference was related to something else than Sinad, that's hard to know. But my experiences with both DACs and amps tells me that a Sinad needs to be a bit higher than 100 dB to be audible transparent. At least in a quality acoustic room with speakers with very low distortion. Exactly where the limit is is something I don't know and may depend on the listener (age, hearing, etc.) and acoustics and speakers.
While I agree with many of your points, I don't think the product deserves a high recommendation when it doesn't measure better. At this price point one should absolutely be 100% sure that the product doesn't add audible distortion. And that's not the case her IMO.
Did you even read my post? It clearly states the exact opposite
The irony is that there are only 2 sentences in your post, yet the response has many more sentences that have little to do with your post.
Agreed, even if it was true (I think it is true but that's just me), if the product is listed at that kind of price range, it would have been nice for them to use better IC (such dac, volume control, opamp buffers etc.,) in order to achieve 110 dB or higher SINAD if it means the price would increase by $200 or even $500. It makes little sense for the design team to spend many hours to engineer/over engineer such a product, only for the specs to be limited to the relatively cheap electronic parts such as ICs. Again, it is not about practical real world performance anymore, at such price range. It is like a 800 W 4 ohms 2 ch Hypex/Purifi NAD power amp versus a pair 1.25 kW Mc Monoblock power amp, can anyone hear a difference using speakers that only need 100 W 4 ohms for listening at reference volume? At such price level (of the example amps used), the question does not need to be answered lol..
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I think the main turn-off for forum members is the shocking price of the unit. And it’s a legitimate complaint.
If you cannot or do not want to afford it then it becomes “shocking”?
It exists in a quite healthy niche, with a fanbase and users that are willing to buy high-end audio for the purpose of chasing “end game” systems. The pursuit of personal end game is a gradual expense with many interim purchases along the way that makes the journey expensive but also enjoyable. Each step/purchase increasing your knowledge and maybe confirmation bias but perhaps also shared by trusted reviewers.
I never claimed to be in my right mind.
This is where the performance of the Altitude16’s digital outs put everyone to shame.
Trinnov Altitude 32 Review
Trinnov Altitude 32 Review and Measurements This is a review and some measurements of a Trinnov Altitude 32. This is an older unit with components that are several generations old. What makes the Altitude 32 different from the Altitude 16 is the ability to use AES/EBU digital outputs for all...
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The Altitude 32 has 16 channels of digital outs compared to the Altitude 16’s four, but LCR with 145 dB SINAD with flagship level room corrrection on?
Please show another product that does that and look at the price… (Storm Audio is the closest competitor but it only does 48 kHz Dirac. Even though the difference may not be audible, Trinnov justifiably lives in a higher measured performance tier).
145 dB SINAD doesn't seem credible! Which DAC IC it uses? And which instrument that measured the output? Amir's AP does not have such capability iirc. I can be wrong, and would like to he wrong lol.This is where the performance of the Altitude16’s digital outs put everyone to shame.
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Trinnov Altitude 32 Review
Trinnov Altitude 32 Review and Measurements This is a review and some measurements of a Trinnov Altitude 32. This is an older unit with components that are several generations old. What makes the Altitude 32 different from the Altitude 16 is the ability to use AES/EBU digital outputs for all...
The Altitude 32 has 16 channels of digital outs compared to the Altitude 16’s four, but LCR with 145 dB SINAD with flagship level room corrrection on?
Please show another product that does that and look at the price… (Storm Audio is the closest competitor but it only does 48 kHz Dirac. Even though the difference may not be audible, Trinnov justifiably lives in a higher measured performance tier).
It’s the digital output
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