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Topping Pre90 Review (preamplifier)

Are you using the XLR and RCA outputs concurrently? If not, press the Volume know (but do not hold - this will mute the volume) then select the output plug type you want. I just use the XLR only output. I can see you have your set to R+X. Both RCA and R+X (RCA + XLR) will result in a 6dB increase in gain. This tricked me at first. Couldn't figure out there the extra 6dB was coming from. Consequently I had my output set to -6dB to reach zero gain.

The things you learn....
Yes, I'm using R+X on purpose, I'm running a subwoofer with the RCA output and a Hypex NC502MP amp with the XLR. Works perfectly, outstanding results. The volume only goes to +10dB, so that represents the RCA level, with the XLR 6dB louder. Glad to not have to max it out, still have 6+dB of headroom.
 
Hi, as I said before I owned a Pre90. Sold It because to me was a little flat sounding...found a A90D and to me is a little better. Same transparente and neutral sound but with a touch more expresive sound....maybe the discrete desing?
 
Hi, as I said before I owned a Pre90. Sold It because to me was a little flat sounding...found a A90D and to me is a little better. Same transparente and neutral sound but with a touch more expresive sound....maybe the discrete desing?

More likely the sighted listening.

There is nothing in the measurements to suggest anything but accurate (high fidelity) music reproduction.
 
Hello, do you know if I the Topping pre90 pre-amp and a90d amp use different set of remote control? I'm using the a90d right now for my headphones, and I'm about to buy the pre90 for the speakers. This would not be ideal if both the a90d and pre90 share the same remote control because then I can't control the amp and preamp individually anymore.

I haven't bought the pre90 yet since I have this question, if anyone have experiences using both please help me with this.

Thank you for your time.
 
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Hmm the Topping Pre90... I almost want one!
But, I have a Topping A70 Pro headphone amplifier.

When you look at the internal Pre90, you see that there is

Stage > Stage > Stage
op-amp > op-amp > 6120A2 (current amp)


And when you look at the internals of A70 Pro, you see that there is

Stage > Stage > Stage
op-amps > op-amps > 6120A2 (current amps)


Both of them are "NFCA", meaning the final stage's output is carried "nested" back a stage through a resistor and capacitor. I believe the capacitor is there so that the later stage's frequency response (bandwidth) is lower than the one driving it so that feedback is kept to being the appropriate counterforce and not an oscillation.

If I were to make a 4 pin XLR to dual 3 pin xlr cable, and use the headphone output to drive my LA90 D from the A70 Pro, will this be more like the Pre90? They're equally spec'd with noise floor and such... I'm just wondering if the NFCA part being used instead of just the op-amps' output would potentially be better? If the NFCA was ported to the rear, it couldn't be the output at the same time as the headphones were plugged in, and that would be... inconvenient. So NFCA from A70 Pro HP output better for XLR/line level? Or worse?

And is this configuration contraindicated for any reason?
 
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Topping Pre90 balanced and unbalanced preamplifier. It was kindly sent to me by the company. The base preamplifier with ability to switch between RCA and XLR inputs costs US $599. There is an extension that gives you four (4) more inputs (three balanced and one unbalanced) for another $250.

Splitting the functionality into two boxes is rather unique:

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Unfortunately there is no immediately switch to select an input. You have to cycle through them using the "SEL" button on the left.

Remote control is provided for volume which in turn mandated relay based stepped attenuator which is quite a "high-end" feature. For any kind of home system use remote is mandatory in my book so it is great to see it implemented here. There are other cool features like setting a pre-input gain or maximum safe playback level.

The back panel shows the unusual configuration with the umbilical cord connecting the two:

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As you see mains power supply is built-into it as it should in this price category.

Overall fit and finish is very good.

For my testing I exclusively focused on XLR input and output.

Topping Pre90 Measurements
As usual I setup preamplifiers for "unity gain" meaning what voltage I put in, is what comes out. On Pre90 that meant setting the volume to -6 dB instead of zero. That gives us this eye popping output:

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Distortion is whopping -25 dB lower than best case threshold of hearing. Combined noise+distortion as represented by SINAD is 5 dB better than said threshold. And this includes the noise from my analyzer. Likely the actual performance is fair bit better.

Suspecting some of the good noise figure comes at the expense of lower than normal input impedance, I jacked up the default 40 ohm output impedance of my Audio Precision analyzer to 200 ohm. The result was that the output from the Pre90 dropped down to 3.6 volts (instead of 4). One click on the volume control compensated for that nicely and give me the same good performance just as well:

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So there is really no penalty to the lower input impedance.

I wanted to test the effect of the external box so I selected one of its inputs and ran the dashboard again (with 40 ohm impedance);

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As you see the external input works just as excellently as the internal input.

EDIT: here is the RCA performance:
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Signal to noise ratio (combined with my analyzer input) is 21 bits and rises to almost 22 bits with full volume:
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Note that Topping advertises much higher numbers. They do that by using a noise amplifier, measuring the results with AP, and then dividing the output by the gain of the noise amplifier. By doing so the remove the effect of Audio Precision analyzer's self noise and get much higher SNR. That is customary in chip industry. For us to keep things consistent we will continue to test as we have as any performance above what I am showing is academic anyway.

Note that the Pre90 can go up to +10 dB gain. Doing so though has a penalty in overall noise. To show the effect of output level/gain, here is a sweep:

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As you see you can get to 8 volts while maintaining the full performance of the preamp. There is more gain left if you want to drive an amplifier like Benchmark AHB2 in low gain or Purifi without its input buffer.

Frequency response is almost flat to 80 kHz:
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There is a bit more droop in my measurements vs Topping. Not sure why but it is immaterial.

Crosstalk was more than good enough for what we need but shy of the best that can be done:

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Intermodulation distortion test is as good as the best I have tested, the Benchmark HPA4:
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Same is the case for SINAD vs frequency:

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Conclusions
Seems like the revolution we have had in high performance headphone amplifiers has bled into preamplifiers. I love it because I have a Reel Reel tape deck that I like to use occasionally in my system along with my usual DAC. Sadly hardly any premplifier could keep up with said DAC so I was degrading the performance of it to have the ability to play another analog source. With the Pre90, that compromise is no more. It is an instrument grade, more transparent than transparent, preamplifier. Other than Benchmark HPA4, I don't think it has an equal no matter how much money you spend. In that regard, it is quite a value as well although obviously not "cheap" as compared to desktop products.

It is my pleasure to strongly recommend the Topping Pre90. If you needed to have another source beside your DAC to play in your system, you now have a wonderful way to accomplish that with zero impact on performance.

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Did you ever measured a transformer volume control preamp, you know, a passive volume control without any resistor inside but transformer attenuator (windings for each 24 volume steps) also know as TVC preamp?
 
I have a Pre90 but have lost the remote. Anyone tell me where I can get a replacement? I tried a site in China but they won't ship to the US. Anyway Universal remote recommendation? Can I teach one without an existing remote?
 
I managed to break the batteries lid on mine and I contacted Shenzhen audio asking if I can have a new one at my expenses. They asked me to transfer them 11,99 euros via Paypal and today I received my replacement remote. I am based in Europe though and I bought the device from Amazon so all communication has been done via Amazon platform. I see you say you already contacted a Chinese e-shop but you might want to try contacting Shenzhen audio directly so to inquire if they can ship to US.
 
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Hello all, I have a few questions about my setup. The builder of my amp mentioned that they really benefit from a preamp, so I picked up the Pre90. I am trying to figure out how much gain to run and, if possible, what voltage the Pre90 sends out.

My DAC is a Holo Cyan2 outputting DSD over the XLR. I think this = 2.50Vrms(XLR). I read on the review that when using XLR, the Pre90 is unity gain at -6dB. So when I am using the Pre90 set to -6dB, is it passing through 2.50Vrms? If I put the Pre90 volume to +3dB for an increase of 9dB, do you have any idea what the output voltage would be going to the amp? I have a cheap multimeter that only goes down to 200V, so I don't think I can measure it.

Also, I am using HQPlayer, and its volume is set to -6dB, so I am losing a bit there, too.
 
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