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Topping LA90 Review (Integrated Amplifier)

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    Votes: 35 4.3%
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    Votes: 51 6.3%
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A power amp, generically, has one only input... This one has 3, So it can't be a power amp.
I have 3 “power amps” that have input switching and volume control. The volume is an attenuator, not an active preamp.

I don’t know of many amps with XLR inputs that use any sort of active preamp for them and the volume can be bypassed completely so it’s technically a power amp.
 
As Amir nor anyone else will likely have access to the complete circuit diagram, and between what you and TMTomh claim, there seems no way to be sure exactly what this beast really is. But I wish an actual LA90 user (s) would reply to my two questions, especially the second one.
 
Agreed - and it has a volume control. Adjustable volume + input switching = preamp in my book.
Nope -- a level control (or two) has been quite common in power amps for at least 60 years. Some -- like my old Kenwood KM-8002 from back in the day -- also had switchable line level RCA inputs and speaker selector switches!
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As Amir nor anyone else will likely have access to the complete circuit diagram, and between what you and TMTomh claim, there seems no way to be sure exactly what this beast really is. But I wish an actual LA90 user (s) would reply to my two questions, especially the second one.
All modern amplifiers worth any look at have speaker protection relays for power on / off thumps and DC detection. I have never heard anything of the sort from my LA90 and managed to even trigger the protection a couple times with overloads. Worked great.

Nope -- a level control (or two) has been quite common in power amps for at least 60 years. Some -- like my old Kenwood KM-8002 from back in the day -- also had switchable line level RCA inputs and speaker selector switches!View attachment 381146
Correct, most power amps dating back to the 70s have an attenuator on the left and right channels to limit max gain or balance the channels, speaker selectors etc. They can be hidden on the back sometimes also.

If the LA90 was a fully featured integrated, they wouldn’t sell a seperate preamp.
 
The meaning of "integrated amplifier (pre-main amplifier)"

An integrated amplifier is an amplifier that integrates a control amplifier (pre-amplifier) and a power amplifier (main amplifier). The control amplifier has built-in functions such as volume control, input selector, and tone control. The operation panel of an integrated amplifier is almost the same as that of a control amplifier, and since it has a built-in power amplifier, it has speaker terminals. Even if the control amplifier and power amplifier are integrated, there are some that have separate control amplifier circuits and power amplifier circuits inside, and some that have been integrated in terms of the circuit. In the former configuration, a control amplifier output terminal and a power amplifier input terminal may be provided, in which case they can be used separately as a control amplifier and a power amplifier housed in one housing. In other words, the control amplifier output terminal can be connected to the input of another power amplifier, or conversely, another control amplifier output can be connected to the input terminal of a power amplifier. In the latter configuration, it is not possible to do exactly the same thing, but it can be used as a power amplifier using a line input terminal such as an AUX input. However, recently, many products equipped with USB DACs and products that are not bound by traditional configurations due to digitalization have been produced, making it difficult to make a clear distinction. The term "integrated amplifier" is now almost obsolete and is probably only used by older audio fans.
 
here the LA90 is called an integrated amp, but this reviewer says it's a power amp...And so does the brand. https://www.toppingaudio.com/product-item/la90-discrete
There is no input to directly access the power amp section, so it is not a "power amp," the end. OK yeah you could plug a preamp into an input and set the volume to some set level and use it like that, I do that with an Aiyima fed by a Bluetooth adaptor in one little setup. But that's not a "power amp" in the traditional sense. Does this thing have a remote? It doesn't seem to, which makes it useless in my book.
 
It’s a power amp lol, like I said I have 3 power amps, all have multiple inputs and gain control. You can bypass the volume also. There is no degradation from switching XLR input signals.

An integrated is usually classed by having a phono section, active preamp with tone controls etc. Whatever works for everyone though lol none of its features affect sound quality at all.
 
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All modern amplifiers worth any look at have speaker protection relays for power on / off thumps and DC detection. I have never heard anything of the sort from my LA90 and managed to even trigger the protection a couple times with overloads. Worked great.


Correct, most power amps dating back to the 70s have an attenuator on the left and right channels to limit max gain or balance the channels, speaker selectors etc. They can be hidden on the back sometimes also.

If the LA90 was a fully featured integrated, they wouldn’t sell a seperate preamp.
The separate preamp is for dual bridge amp and remote control... Not because the la90 is not an integrated.
If you first boost after you can attenuate: with high gain a preamp is not necessary.
 
If the LA90 was a fully featured integrated, they wouldn’t sell a seperate preamp.
The preamp in the LA90 (D) is rather formal. If you need a high-quality relay volume control, then they suggest using an external preamp. Even in tests, Amir turned off the LA90 (D) preamp and performed measurements. Most likely, this was agreed with the manufacturer. If you conduct a survey here, then most of the owners of the LA90 (D) most likely do not use a preamp in it.
However, the presence of an input switch on the LA90 (D) provides additional flexibility in building audio system.
 
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The preamp in the LA90 (D) is rather formal. If you need a high-quality relay volume control, then they suggest using an external preamp.Even in tests, Amir turned off the LA90 (D) preamp and performed measurements. Most likely, this was agreed with the manufacturer.If you conduct a survey here, then most of the owners of the LA90 (D) most likely do not use a preamp in it.

Sometimes Topping is weird. Like putting the preamp section in the LA90 or having three inputs in the B200. Why?
 
Sometimes Topping is weird. Like putting the preamp section in the LA90 or having three inputs in the B200. Why?
The preamp on the LA90 looks logical, as its presence increases market coverage. On the B200, they wanted to keep the input switch for the same reason. Although most of the LA 90(D) and B200 users use only one input.

If there was one XLR input, then the reviewers would put it as a disadvantage. And so - another plus. The price of the issue is the cost of connectors and additional relays.
 
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Sometimes Topping is weird. Like putting the preamp section in the LA90 or having three inputs in the B200. Why?
Topping's approach with these two amplifiers is actually very far-sighted and clever, and other manufacturers could learn a thing or two from it.
The LA90 is designed as a stereo integrated amplifier that can be bridged and used as a pure power amplifier if necessary. Three inputs are enough for most people on an integrated amplifier these days, and they can upgrade if necessary.

The B200 is a very universally usable mono amplifier. Many people have more than one system at home, but of course only one pair of main speakers.
You can connect a normal stereo setup with a preamplifier, the preamplifier outputs of an AV receiver and also a tube preamplifier, and you have 3 different systems with the same main speakers and the corresponding power amplifiers.
This of course also applies to the LA90 power amplifier.
 
Hi! A have some silly-newbie questions, please help:)

1. What advantage will i get in sound quality(if any) If I'll add preamp (pre90 for example?)
Now my setup is: VMV d1se2(pre) + LA90D(fixed) + Dali ikon 6, Linton 85, Evo 4.4(still choosing between speakers)

2. Are there any drawbacks using high output setting with 89-91.5db sens. speakers? Are there any audible distortion, noise, compression etc? Or low mode is just for excellent measurements or hyper sensitive speakers?

3. How to understand if I need second La90d? Will sound quality improve on medium volume levels with 89db speaker in 20sq m room or it will improve only on extreme volume or in some very dynamic songs etc..?
 
1. What advantage will i get in sound quality(if any) If I'll add preamp (pre90 for example?)
Now my setup is: VMV d1se2(pre) + LA90D(fixed) + Dali ikon 6, Linton 85, Evo 4.4(still choosing between speakers)
Nothing basically. The device is totally transparent, so it will not do anything to the sound.
2. Are there any drawbacks using high output setting with 89-91.5db sens. speakers? Are there any audible distortion, noise, compression etc? Or low mode is just for excellent measurements or hyper sensitive speakers?
It's all about you loud the signals come in, and how loud you want it to be at max volume. If it goes loud enough with the low setting, you should be good. Otherwise, choose high.
3. How to understand if I need second La90d? Will sound quality improve on medium volume levels with 89db speaker in 20sq m room or it will improve only on extreme volume or in some very dynamic songs etc..?
Is the single amp getting loud enough? If so, you don't need a second one. If not, the next question is if you can drive the amp to maximum power with the maximum voltage of your DAC? So let's see: DAC output is ~4.1 V, and the gain is 10 or 20 dB, which makes 13V at 10 dB, and 41V at 20 dB. The power supply seems to be 64V, so that may appear to be much more. But looking at the maximum power of just 56W and 36W (into 4R and 8R), it seems more like the limit is here the 4A power supply. So you should be fine there.

If that were not the case, a pre-amp might be of use to add some additional gain. A pre-amp also has a major difference in how it does volume control: while most DACs do this in the digital domain, a pre-amp does this in the analog domain. While this does have some differences, namely that the analog volume also scales the noise, while a digital volume control only scales the signal, it's not really of major concern. So the reasons for choosing a pre-amp or not should be found on the practical side: do you need more inputs? Do you find the volume knob more tactile (the Pre90 is still digitally controlled I think, so probably feels similar)? Do you need the extra gain? Does it have a better remote?
 
1. What advantage will i get in sound quality(if any) If I'll add preamp (pre90 for example?)
Beyond the answer from @voodooless, the other thing some preamps will give you is EQ. This could be basic tone controls, 'loudness', Quad's slope control, all the way up to full room and speaker correction and subwoofer crossover. The full correction in particular can make a significant difference to sound quality.
 
Beyond the answer from @voodooless, the other thing some preamps will give you is EQ. This could be basic tone controls, 'loudness', Quad's slope control, all the way up to full room and speaker correction and subwoofer crossover. The full correction in particular can make a significant difference to sound quality.
Then just get an AVR and be done with all the audiophile nonsense ;)
 
Nothing basically. The device is totally transparent, so it will not do anything to the sound.

Not entirely true. It serves also as an impedance adapter. If the DAC has a high impedance, then the sound will become *more* transparent.
 
Not entirely true. It serves also as an impedance adapter. If the DAC has a high impedance, then the sound will become *more* transparent.
Then don't buy broken stuff in the first place. A DAC should not have a high output impedance.
 
Then don't buy broken stuff in the first place. A DAC should not have a high output impedance.

Anyway, I was able to find the data for the SMSL D1se2: Output Impedance: XLR 207 Ohm: RCA 142 Ohm. Should be ok.
The LA90 discrete should have 20kOhm in RCA 10kOhm XLR. Half these values in mono mode? If the latter is true there mah be some advantage with a Pre, not sure if audible.
 
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Not entirely true. It serves also as an impedance adapter. If the DAC has a high impedance, then the sound will become *more* transparent.
Still no difference even with a (rare) high dac output impedance - as long as the reactive impedance of the load (including interconnect) is sufficiently high not to cause frequency response variations. It would have to be a very high output impedance, and a very capacitive interconnect for that to result in audible FR changes. Even then - if you use a preamp with low output impedance, it only helps if the reactive impedance into the Preamp is higher than the amp. And if you are using the same interconnects out of the DAC, then it doesn’t help.

But yes - also as @voodooless says - don’t buy faulty gear in the first place, then there is no risk of needing to spend another £1K on fixing it.
 
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