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Topping LA90 Review (Integrated Amplifier)

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    Votes: 35 4.3%
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    Votes: 52 6.3%
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    Votes: 197 24.0%
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    Votes: 537 65.4%

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Is there any indirect way to confirm the assumption that distortions have a “positive” effect? For example, I am not only able, but I prefer to turn down the volume of a more expensive (and more powerful - 166 watts per channel) amplifier compared to the volume of the LA90, which begins to sound like a more expensive and more powerful amplifier only at higher volumes. That is, having compared both of them at the same volume, I hear better the more powerful one - but it is perceived as UNNECESSARY loud (and at a much lower volume everything is perfectly audible). And it’s impossible to listen to LA90 at such a starting volume - the music disappears, you need to increase the volume and then small details appear that you can hear in a powerful amplifier even at low volume - but then it becomes too loud, it’s just uncomfortable!
Can you use this information to answer the question - which of these two amplifiers is faulty (after all, the LA90 can also fail after more than a year of continuous daily use for many hours)?
What method can be used to understand what is happening with these two amplifiers?

Your method is a good one! If you prefer to turn down the volume, your subconscious is giving you a negative impression of that amplifier. So your indirect confirmation answer is right there in your question and it’s telling you that of the two, your preference is for the LA90.

As to missing the details, I believe you but I’d also wager that your definition of details will change over time. What you may be hearing is exaggerated details due to distortion. As you pay attention to those subtle details, you may very well train your ear to prefer them as they are… subtle.
 
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But my question is different: how can it be that a direct wire without distortion (LA90 with a fantastically low THD) sounds dull and hazy compared to an amplifier with THD <0.03% ???

I use pair of mono LA90s (original, non-D versions) in the following system: Auralic (streamer) -> SMSL SU-10 (DAC) -> LA90 monos -> KEF R5 speakers

The overall sound is anything but "dull and hazy". I would go on to say that this system is probably the best SQ-for-money system I've ever put together. The speakers are no doubt the weakest link, but for the GBP 1000 I paid for them (new, on offer), I doubt they could be bettered.

Of course, I really can't comment on what you're hearing at your end...

Mani.
 
Your method is a good one! If you prefer to turn down the volume, your subconscious is giving you a negative impression of that amplifier. So your indirect confirmation answer is right there in your question and it’s telling you that of the two, your preference is for the LA90.

As to missing the details, I believe you but I’d also wager that your definition of details will change over time. What you may be hearing is exaggerated details due to distortion. As you pay attention to those subtle details, you may very well train your ear to prefer them as they are… subtle.
What you are telling me sounds logical, but the problem is that I poorly and inaccurately described the situation: I was able to clearly hear the parts of all instruments in all their details - and THEREFORE I did not need to demand high volume.
But this does not eliminate the possibility that the amplifier "unconsciously" emphasizes high frequencies (if this can explain the higher intelligibility and purity of the sound).
 
I think I understand what SashaR is talking about.

I have 2x LA 90 in mono mode.
The scheme is as follows: PC -> RME ADI2 DAC FS -> Nuemann KH750 -> LA90 -> Dynaudio Countour 2.0i.

These speakers from Dynaudio are known for their demanding amplifier requirements. The manufacturer stated that its sensitivity is 86 dB (I doubt it).
Dynaudio speakers subjectively sound better when the volume is higher. There are more high frequencies and overall the sound is more intelligible and rich. I don't listen to music loudly most of the time, and at low volumes the speakers seem dull and voices are less intelligible.

I also have a set of Polk Audio R200 Reserve speakers. The manufacturer also claims that they have a sensitivity of 86 dB. For experimental purposes, I replaced Dinaudio with Polk R200 and listened to music on these speakers all week.

The Polk R200 sounds louder and BRIGHTER than the Dynaudio! Treble and detail are present even at lower volumes. But this is just my subjective opinion.

To understand what has changed, you need to look at the measurements, which is what I did.

Here is a graph of the frequency response of both speakers along with the sub in an unequalized state. VAR smoothing. The jagged frequency response is not important here; It's more important to understand why some speakers are brighter than others at the same DAC volume level.

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The R200 is louder, which confirms subjective perception and measurements. I even had to turn it down (-3.4 dB) so that the frequency response graphs were at the same SPL level.

What about distortion?

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As you can see, the Polk Audio R200 is a bit worse in the high frequencies. But I don't sure could I be able to hear this at all.

What conclusion did I draw for myself?

This amplifier has nothing to do with the brightness or dullness of certain frequencies. SPEAKERS are responsible for this. Some are more difficult to swing, meaning they are less sensitive (for example, because they are larger and speaker drivers weigh more). It is also important how the speakers interact with the room (the presence or absence of an SBIR effect for part of the frequency range). And ultimately – the volume level. Anything louder sounds better.

It is pity I don't have another amplifier (but I planned to buy this or something else later).

If I'm not mistaken, SashaR has not yet provided any objective measurements of his system, except for his own subjective feelings, which can be very inaccurate or false. For example, how would you know that you set the volume level on different amplifiers to the same level if you didn't measure?

So my advice is to start measuring and share your measurements with us :).
 
If I'm not mistaken, SashaR has not yet provided any objective measurements of his system, except for his own subjective feelings, which can be very inaccurate or false. For example, how would you know that you set the volume level on different amplifiers to the same level if you didn't measure?

So my advice is to start measuring and share your measurements with us :).
Thank you! I equalize the volume of amplifiers using an application on my phone. Additionally, just to be sure, I turned the bright amp's volume down below an equivalent level - and the brightness/clarity continued to be higher than the LA90.
In addition, the person who agreed to play my problems confidently said that he could more easily hear the lyrics of the song (I only listen to classics) - but added that he did not know what was “correct” (reference).
In addition, tomorrow a professional pianist promised to come to me: I asked him to tell me which amplifier creates a sound more SIMILAR to the sound of a real piano.
Once again: I do not have a quality microphone, and therefore I did not learn to use testing / measuring programs.
 
Once again: I do not have a quality microphone, and therefore I did not learn to use testing / measuring programs.

I highly recommend buying a measurement microphone (maybe someone could borrow you it), because this purchase could save you a couple of thousand dollars that you want to spend on a new amp.

Learning how to measure acoustics in REW is very simple. Here you will definitely be helped with your first steps in this direction.

Edit: If you need more treble, I would suggest buying a speaker with a ribbon tweeter. I once had an Airpulse A300 and it has such detailed sound that I have never heard from any other speakers.
 
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Please let me ask one more question about the LA90 compared to the LA90-D. Can anyone comment on the perceived difference in sound quality between LA90 AND LA90-D??? I KNOW there can't be an audible difference! But I am interested in the result of the superposition of two opposing trends in the LA90-D. On the one hand, its THD has worsened compared to the LA90. And the third harmonic grew. This means that the sound quality has become worse (even if it is not very audible). But, on the other hand, LA90-D has NO dependence of distortion on sound frequency, distortion does not increase with increasing sound frequency and remains very low, although higher than that of LA90 - i.e., LA90-D is even less ... What? Less bright, dimmer, more accurate? Or does the 3 dB of added noise and interference negate the benefit of reducing distortion? Objectively (measured, not subjectively!) the LA90 is superior to the LA90-D in terms of sound QUALITY, in terms of more accurate compliance with the original, or vice versa, does the LA90-D provide a more correct sound?
 
it has such detailed sound that I have never heard from any other speakers.
I'm extremely interested in being able to reproduce exactly the same sound that is inside the flac - no clearer, no brighter, no more bass. Thanks for the advice about the speakers - it's too late: I won't change the VELA 408 I just purchased :). The only problem is that I’m not sure that in my situation (13 m2) these speakers can, using the LA90, correctly reproduce sound at a volume less than 70 dB.
 
Hello,
I was allowed to compare the yba pasion ia350a amplifier with my LA90 - in my apartment. How can you explain that the unprecedentedly magnificent LA90 sounds worse than an amplifier with only 95 dB signal-to-noise ratio (I couldn’t find any other measurements)??? I compared at all volume levels available on the LA90, including in mono configuration. If there is no distortion, if we have a direct wire, then how can we explain that it sounds worse (there are no details, especially in the highs - but I’m only talking about what is obviously below 12 kHz).
Thanks for explanation!
I think you just prefer the (deliberately) non-flat frequency response of the YBA
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It would be interesting to apply that curve to your LA90 (if you can) and then compare.
 
I think you just prefer the (deliberately) non-flat frequency response of the YBA
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It would be interesting to apply that curve to your LA90 (if you can) and then compare.
Wow, that's pretty awful
 
Big failure? Or is it a scam?
 

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I think you just prefer the (deliberately) non-flat frequency response of the YBA
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It would be interesting to apply that curve to your LA90 (if you can) and then compare.
At the moment, I am the happy owner of the best amplifier to date (LA90), and living in fear of the possible failure of this excellent device: I changed the speakers to 4-ohm ones (from 6-ohm ones) and the amplifier became one Celsius degree hotter! Is there an explanation for this phenomenon?

Can anyone tell me how much power the LA90 delivers to the speakers at a volume of 80 dB in LOW gain when the (D90SE) DAC is in DAC mode @ 5 volt, XLR (speakers: 4 ohms, declared sensitivity 88.5 dB. Minimum impedance = 3.6 ohms at 180 Hz)?

Thank you all in advance for your advice and answers!
 
This 114 pages long thread on ASR made me want to try it out. Found a second hand one and bought it.

A pair of TS to RCA adapters made it possible to connect a SE dac. Hooked it up to my KEF LS50 Metas and... disappointment.
Even with the volume knob maxed out the sound was anemic and not loud enough. Switched to more sensitive speakers and it was better but still weaker than my Quad 2 tube amplifiers(~10w). I don't have a lot of balanced equipment, mostly tape/r2r/dat -decks. I do have a ZEN CAN that has a 4,4mm pentacon balanced output. I had enough connectors to make a 4,4mm to 2x 3 pin xlr cable. I don´t really know if the balanced output of the ZEN CAN is really any higher than the SE output since it´s only getting SE input. But using the ZEN CANs volume pot and gain switch the LA90(in power amp mode) made the speakers come to life and I could play as loud as I ever wanted.

However, the setup isn´t really that neat...

So basically I need a balanced dac to use the LA90 as I wanted to, maybe I´ll buy one someday.

BUT! I already have to much gear I don't use or really need so I think the wisest thing to do is to get rid of all balanced gear.
I think I´ll be happy with RCAs and 3,5/6,3mm. :) I really don't enjoy spending money on cables an connectors anyway!:facepalm:
 
>>At the moment, I am the happy owner of the best amplifier to date (LA90), and living in fear of the possible failure of this excellent device: I changed the speakers to 4-ohm ones (from 6-ohm ones) and the amplifier became one Celsius degree hotter! Is there an explanation for this phenomenon?

Get a fan! And don't stress.
 
quick answer?

With lower impedance the speaker gets more power from the amp ==> more heat (and even more in class AB design)
 
quick answer?

With lower impedance the speaker gets more power from the amp ==> more heat (and even more in class AB design)
Thank you for the answer!
Give me, please, the answer for the second my question, please! Here:

Can anyone tell me how much power the LA90 delivers to the speakers at a volume of 80 dB in LOW gain when the (D90SE) DAC is in DAC mode @ 5 volt, XLR (speakers: 4 ohms, declared sensitivity 88.5 dB. Minimum impedance = 3.6 ohms at 180 Hz)?

Thank you all in advance for your advice and answers!
 
Thank you for the answer!
Give me, please, the answer for the second my question, please! Here:
Which speakers?
Listening distance?
80dB Peak? Or Average? If the latter, what crest factor?
Speakers placed near a wall? Or in the corners of your room?
 
I have read the first 15 pages and stopped at the slinging matches and have a couple of questions -
1. What is the idle current or watts drawn at idle ? - standby is stated as 0.5w but idle is not mentioned in the specs.
2. At what power level does the amp go to class AB ?
3. What has been the reliability of the amps ?
4. How hot does the amp get in use?

The L7Audiolab write up showed a heat video that appeared to show the amp stable at about 40 degrees C until it is called upon to go over 5 watts, implying that the amp would operate in class A up to 5 watts.

The local retailers in Oz are discounting the LA90 way below the LA90D price to clear old stock. Tempting as a mid range amp in a tri-amped setup.
 
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