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Topping L70 Headphone Amp Review

Rate this headphone amplifier:

  • 1. Poor (headless panther)

    Votes: 15 4.1%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 2 0.6%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 33 9.1%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 313 86.2%

  • Total voters
    363
L70 has considerably better measurements of crosstalk comparing to L50.

L50 crosstalk - https://cdn.l7audiolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Crosstalk-5.jpg
L70 crosstalk - https://cdn.l7audiolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/1666693096-Crosstalk.jpg

Question: Can anyone please suggest how audible is crosstalk at -112@1kHz up to -102 dB@20kHz (L50 crosstalk levels)? Personal experience, blind tests, etc.
I'm happy with L50+E50 and at the same time I'm considering L70.


I found this topic, but there isn't much discussion about crosstalk, just basic considerations:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-thresholds-of-amp-and-dac-measurements.5734/
Crosstalk
-60 dB is NwAvGuy's guideline for crosstalk, so half (numerically) of the strict limit of -120 dB.
 
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L70 has considerably better measurements of crosstalk comparing to L50.

L50 crosstalk - https://cdn.l7audiolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Crosstalk-5.jpg
L70 crosstalk - https://cdn.l7audiolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/1666693096-Crosstalk.jpg

Question: Can anyone please suggest how audible is crosstalk at -112@1kHz up to -102 dB@20kHz (L50 crosstalk levels)? Personal experience, blind tests, etc.
I'm happy with L50+E50 and at the same time I'm considering L70.


I found this topic, but there isn't much discussion about crosstalk, just basic considerations:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-thresholds-of-amp-and-dac-measurements.5734/
Crosstalk below -50dB or so is imperceptible while listening to music.

Hence, both the L50 and L70 have perfect crosstalk, even if the L70 is ever so slightly measurably better.
 
L70 has considerably better measurements of crosstalk comparing to L50.

L50 crosstalk - https://cdn.l7audiolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Crosstalk-5.jpg
L70 crosstalk - https://cdn.l7audiolab.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/1666693096-Crosstalk.jpg

Question: Can anyone please suggest how audible is crosstalk at -112@1kHz up to -102 dB@20kHz (L50 crosstalk levels)? Personal experience, blind tests, etc.
I'm happy with L50+E50 and at the same time I'm considering L70.


I found this topic, but there isn't much discussion about crosstalk, just basic considerations:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...-thresholds-of-amp-and-dac-measurements.5734/
Compared to the L50, the L70 is only a worthwhile upgrade if you need the preamp outputs, especially XLR (no pass-through), or the more than twice the power.
However, the L70 has a lower SE power rating than the L50, so you'll need true balanced headphone cables for the higher power.

I have both HPAs, and even with devices with a crosstalk of -80 dB(A), I can't hear any difference.
Most music actually sounds better with targeted crossfeed, as it's more like listening with speakers.
 
I have the L70, and I've ordered the DCA Noire X headphones, which have an impedance of 13 ohms. In this review, he states that the protection circuit kicked in at 20 ohms. Exactly what does that mean. Can I not use the L70 with 13 ohm headphones?
 
I have the L70, and I've ordered the DCA Noire X headphones, which have an impedance of 13 ohms. In this review, he states that the protection circuit kicked in at 20 ohms. Exactly what does that mean. Can I not use the L70 with 13 ohm headphones?
You can use the L70 with the Noire X without issues.

It's just that if you push the L70 to beyond ~4-5W per channel at 13Ω, then the protection circuit will turn off the Amp.

A power cycle will re-enable the Amp then.
 
That makes sense. 4.5 watts into those headphones, and I wouldn't need headphones anymore. I'd be deaf!
Sir he said 4-5 watts not 4.5 watts. I'm not sure if you could reach 5W though, I would be deaf by 4W.... I guess after that you can hit the protection circuit since you won't hear anything anyway...
 
Yes, I would be deaf by then. I noted that in my first reply. And look again, he said "4.5", not that it matters. 4 watts would be approaching 130 dB, and permanent hearing damage!
 
You can expect about 6.5Vrms out of the L70 at 13Ω, which according to Amir's measurements will drive the Noire X to 94+20*log10(6.5/.333)=119.8dB SPL Peak
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That is too loud for me basically ever but definitely too loud for extended listening...

Lucky that Noire X max SPL is only 117dB :) 5V, 2W, 0.38A is needed, and L70 can handle that.

But a more normal system capability to look for is a peak SPL of 110dB, which for Noire X requires 2.24V, 0.38W, and 0.17A.
85 dB (Average SPL) + 20 dB (Crest Factor) + 5 dB (EQ Headroom) = 110 dB (Capability)
 
Has anybody tried connecting some difficult to amplify hp's (like hifiman susvara, abyss 1266 etc etc) to topping L70? How did It go?
 
Has anybody tried connecting some difficult to amplify hp's (like hifiman susvara, abyss 1266 etc etc) to topping L70? How did It go?
Susvara and Abyss 1266 are no harder to drive than HE6se and V2, which is easily done with the L70 in balanced mode.
The A70 Pro has a bit more power, but not much.
 
Has anyone measured the operating temperature of the L70 in HPA & Pre Amp modes ?

I just recently bought the A70 Pro but have no need of a fancy display screen or the extension output so thinking of returning it, my only concern with the L70 is some people are saying it operates at very warm temps but what is there impression of very warm ?

I own the L30 II and can confirm the L30 II does get warm no matter if using the HPA or pre amp to a powered amp or driving small speakers even using low volume is the same heat generation. It gets very warm.

I use an infrared thermometer laser temp gun after 30 minutes playing audio.

Top housing hottest area D50 III 29C, A70 31C, B100 amps 33C L30 II 35C The Harman Kardon AVR 140 43C... I have felt higher temps but today the room temps is only 21 C.

When using a small computer fan moving air across the top and bottom of the units the top of the housings hottest area reads: D50 III Dac 27 C, A70 Pro 29.5C, B100 Amp 31C.

Room temp 21C at 58 ish humidity. Vancouver Canada cooler October weather.
 
Has anyone measured the operating temperature of the L70 in HPA & Pre Amp modes ?

I just recently bought the A70 Pro but have no need of a fancy display screen or the extension output so thinking of returning it, my only concern with the L70 is some people are saying it operates at very warm temps but what is there impression of very warm ?

I own the L30 II and can confirm the L30 II does get warm no matter if using the HPA or pre amp to a powered amp or driving small speakers even using low volume is the same heat generation. It gets very warm.

I use an infrared thermometer laser temp gun after 30 minutes playing audio.

Top housing hottest area D50 III 29C, A70 31C, B100 amps 33C L30 II 35C The Harman Kardon AVR 140 43C... I have felt higher temps but today the room temps is only 21 C.

When using a small computer fan moving air across the top and bottom of the units the top of the housings hottest area reads: D50 III Dac 27 C, A70 Pro 29.5C, B100 Amp 31C.

Room temp 21C at 58 ish humidity. Vancouver Canada cooler October weather.
None of your measured temperatures are unusual; most are even low. Audio electronics, and especially amplifiers, should have an operating temperature, ideally very consistent and without fluctuations. Fans that are not provided for are counterproductive here.
If these temperatures worry you, you're a victim of the recurring heat hysteria in the forum.
 
None of your measured temperatures are unusual; most are even low. Audio electronics, and especially amplifiers, should have an operating temperature, ideally very consistent and without fluctuations. Fans that are not provided for are counterproductive here.
If these temperatures worry you, you're a victim of the recurring heat hysteria in the forum.
Thanks for the insight,

I was just sharing temperature readings for comparisons and asking if anyone with the L70 has experienced any high levels of heat that are unusual. Researching this online is just wasted time so anyone with some factual information would be helping the hype of the L70 running hot I keep coming across while researching.

I do have an open design entertainment stand I designed and built myself just 3 legs and shelves so not overly worried about the operating temps, I started using the fan for the unusually hot summer spells I wanted to keep the new B100`s from getting hot any want to stretch as much life as I can out of them.

Some people might think 30C is hot while I would say 40C is hot ?

There is a reason for sever rooms to be keep at cold temperatures, so I can`t be the only person unsure of what is Hot and what is normal and or optimal for a long life span ?

It would be a superb idea to have some kind of reference in the spec sheet to normal operating temp of the units outer housing with a max temp so people would now if there unit is operating is it designed to and if it`s inside a cabinet during one of those extreme heat event of our summers they could deal with that situation.

Having the housing temp spec would help everyone including people without circuit engineering degree's ;-/

My Harman Kardon AVR 140 the top case reaches about 45C on cooler days not sure about hot summer days but I`ve had that beast on everyday for 15 years for 10 or more hours a day always in an open stand and the audio is still pure as it was new.
 
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Thanks for the insight,

I was just sharing temperature readings for comparisons and asking if anyone with the L70 has experienced any high levels of heat that are unusual. Researching this online is just wasted time so anyone with some factual information would be helping the hype of the L70 running hot I keep coming across while researching.

I do have an open design entertainment stand I designed and built myself just 3 legs and shelves so not overly worried about the operating temps, I started using the fan for the unusually hot summer spells I wanted to keep the new B100`s from getting hot any want to stretch as much life as I can out of them.

Some people might think 30C is hot while I would say 40C is hot ?

There is a reason for sever rooms to be keep at cold temperatures, so I can`t be the only person unsure of what is Hot and what is normal and or optimal for a long life span ?

It would be a superb idea to have some kind of reference in the spec sheet to normal operating temp of the units outer housing with a max temp so people would now if there unit is operating is it designed to and if it`s inside a cabinet during one of those extreme heat event of our summers they could deal with that situation.

Having the housing temp spec would help everyone including people without circuit engineering degree's ;-/

My Harman Kardon AVR 140 the top case reaches about 45C on cooler days not sure about hot summer days but I`ve had that beast on everyday for 15 years for 10 or more hours a day always in an open stand and the audio is still pure as it was new.
I haven't noticed any high temperatures on my L70 in two years, even at high gain with PEQ on the HE6se V2 and at high volume.

People are completely unsuitable as thermometers. For one person, 32°C is hot, while for another, 40°C is warm. The difference between two people's perceived temperatures can easily be 10-15°C, sometimes even more. Different surface textures, coatings, and materials alone can result in perceived differences of 40°C or more.
By the way, your AVR will be significantly warmer inside; 60°C is not uncommon.

As a manufacturer, I wouldn't specify temperatures either, because that would only lead to even more confusion. There are simply too many factors that influence the device temperature for the customer. In summer, temperatures can easily reach 50°C, which is no problem at all. Most AVRs run warmer inside, sometimes even significantly. One must also not forget that conventional amplifiers over the last 50 years have been running at temperatures of over 45°, often even over 50° inside and on the heat sinks, and this often lasts for 30 years. If it wasn't a problem before, why is it suddenly happening now?
Devices are much smaller today, and the power dissipation has a much smaller surface area, which also demonstrates the efficiency of today's devices.

I would consider returning the A70 Pro. Compared to the L70, it is significantly higher quality and more elaborately constructed, which is why it is more expensive. But that's just my personal opinion.
 
Thanks for the reply and helpful response.

Other than the new design where they made there own op amp chip and named it T'ang- Ku-La the specs are nearly identical as in not going to be an audible difference just minimal improvement of the original design as far as power consumption and engineering calculations... ?

I can't find any detailed information about their own Brand name New design op amp that has apparently 30 transistors.

Also from Amirm's videos about swapping op amps it should sound identical in purity? Swapping op amps has no change in audio As per Amirm...

Further research also appears the main reason for using an Op Amp in any situation it is used for is to keep the original frequencies completely unadulterated not even the most delicate of any frequencies blending will NOT be changed.

Edited : I contacted Topping about A70 pro not having a screen black out via remote control. You just have to push the brightness half moon symbol on the remote until Auto appears on the screen then after one minute the screen will black out.

L70 has a black out screen timer option after 30 seconds it turns off so a bit better for movie watching at night. I`d preferer a complete blackout setting for late night movie watching so volume adjustments wouldn't lite up the screen... It could be labeled Stealth mode...


I don't have a professional studio or do any DJ work so no need of the A70 pro, quality of music is perfect, purity is the word I personally would use to describe it.

I`m returning it already ordered the L70. I can add it to the list of gear I've tested and wanted to keep.

I already have 3 dac`s, 2 portable headphone Dac`s, 1 headphone Dac amp and 1 headphone amp/ Pre Amp with no remote volume control or balanced connections.

Just couldn't let them go. A70 pro is just to much for my income.
 
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