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Topping E30 DAC Review

Like there is nothing more to worry about in the world at the moment. Measure all your hardware and you will have to return more than half of it for not sticking to absolute polarity...
That is the nature of sheeple I guess.
 
I received my E30 today. All is good. I run actives from it using some HS7 Yamaha speakers. Sound is nice in preamp mode(connected to a TV using Optical). I am wanting to see if there is a sonic difference between DAC mode and preamp mode like others on this thread. If I change to DAC mode, can I use my PC to adjust the volume? Or is it better to reduce the "level" dial to suit required volume? I noted today that if I have the DAC at 0.00db in preamp mode, I really only need to turn the "level" dial up one or two notches to get adequate sound level. I guess I could do the same in DAC mode.

Sonically, I want to see if there is a difference between the two settings(some reviews say there is a major difference)
I have not updated the firmware. Sounds nice overall. Quite pleased(mainly because I can use the remote to control volume). Much better than the tv speakers I was used to.
 
I received my E30 today. All is good. I run actives from it using some HS7 Yamaha speakers. Sound is nice in preamp mode(connected to a TV using Optical). I am wanting to see if there is a sonic difference between DAC mode and preamp mode like others on this thread. If I change to DAC mode, can I use my PC to adjust the volume? Or is it better to reduce the "level" dial to suit required volume? I noted today that if I have the DAC at 0.00db in preamp mode, I really only need to turn the "level" dial up one or two notches to get adequate sound level. I guess I could do the same in DAC mode.

Sonically, I want to see if there is a difference between the two settings(some reviews say there is a major difference)
I have not updated the firmware. Sounds nice overall. Quite pleased(mainly because I can use the remote to control volume). Much better than the tv speakers I was used to.
Glad you are satisfied, mine after 52 days was cleared by customs without tax, already sent to my state ...

I know there is a problem, which for many can be very "irritating" but in all the reviews that I saw and read, the main function was very satisfactory, the quality of the audio.
 
With all due respect, but this file does not seem to me to be reliable.

Access this link and take the test yourself ...
https://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_abspolarity.php
why? this is standart test file with inverted phase! if you want to fool yourself it's your decision! the fact is it's more or less audible, depending on music
pieces, instruments etc! this example just shows things as they are
 
i think you didn't read the conclusion.
i read the conclusion, if you don't hear it it doesn't go away, and if we talk about bit-perfect sound, audiophile quality and do all the measurements so i don't know what's your point? as for me this is a very serious issue! and by the way a lot of people hear the difference on real music, instruments and setups, becasue difference is right under your nose (ears)
 
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Regardless of whether you believe you can hear the difference in polarity is beside the point, the fact is it's technically a fault, otherwise Topping wouldn't be 'fixing' it in a FW update, I was ready to hit buy on this DAC but until this is fixed properly I won't be getting one because I know in the back of my mind I will be wondering if it's making a difference to my listening experience, and that to me isn't having confidence in your component.
 
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Regardless of whether you believe you can hear the difference in polarity is beside the point, the fact is it's technically a fault, otherwise Topping wouldn't be 'fixing' it in a FW update, I was ready to hit by on this DAC but until this is fixed properly I won't be getting one because I know in the back of my mind I will be wondering if it's making a difference to my listening experience, and that to me isn't having confidence on your component.
To give Topping credit, they admitted that it was an error and they are fixing it in already sold E30s by issuing a firmware update for the USB input. Future batches of the E30 will have all inputs featuring correct absolute polarity. The only issue that remains is the fact that they won't be able to fix the Toslink and Coax inputs on already made batches of the E30 without the owners shipping the unit back to them. One thing that they should have done is recall all the incorrectly wired units from the market until the issue was fixed. That or offer them at a huge discount.
 
To give Topping credit, they admitted that it was an error and they are fixing it in already sold E30s by issuing a firmware update for the USB input. Future batches of the E30 will have all inputs featuring correct absolute polarity. The only issue that remains is the fact that they won't be able to fix the Toslink and Coax inputs on already made batches of the E30 without the owners shipping the unit back to them. One thing that they should have done is recall all the incorrectly wired units from the market until the issue was fixed. That or offer them at a huge discount.
but they didn't recall it! i ordered my device 10 days ago and they already knew about this issue for about a week or two i think! and they continued selling! that is what pisses me off
 
but they didn't recall it! i ordered my device 10 days ago and they already knew about this issue for about a week or two i think! and they continued selling! that is what pisses me off
I know. If I was them, I would offer to fix the units in the field for customers and pay for the shipping back to China. Or offer a discount for the owner to keep the unit as is. Obviously this will cost them money, but in my mind, the reputation of their customer service is at stake here. I am very pleased that Topping have a very active and knowledgeable representation here and I really like their products. I have never had to deal with their customer service and I am looking forward to seeing how they will handle this. I know that they had some problems with their DX3 Pro V1 headphone amp stages - not sure if owners had to pay for shipping those defective units back. The situation with the E30 is more of an obvious design error (a small one), so it should be a no brainer.
 
The Topping D10 also has an inverse absolute polarization and no one makes a problem - it still sells as such.:rolleyes:
 
I know. If I was them, I would offer to fix the units in the field for customers and pay for the shipping back to China.

No one does that. Certainly not for a unit which costs $130 retail, on which their margin is tiny.

All manner of consumer electronics products eventually have a "Revision B" (and sometimes "C" and "D" and "E") which fix issues which cropped up in Revision A. Unless it was a safety issue, I have never seen a manufacturer offer to replace at no charge — with free 2-way shipping — all the Revision A units.

It would be generous if Topping offered to replace the unit if the customer ships it back at their own expense. But, given shipping costs to China (shipping from China is heavily subsidized), I doubt very many would take them up on the offer.

What's hilarious is that the only people complaining loudly here don't actually have an E30. The actual owners are happily using theirs.
 
just listen to this test file with absolute polarity change
It's definitely easy to identify the difference in that sample. It's quite obvious.
 
Well I received delivery of my E30 DAC yesterday! (ordered May 14th from Schenzhan Audio (spelling?) via Amazon). Parcel was in perfect condition and well packed. I've tested the DAC out on my headphones and also on my JBL 308 speaker system and it sounds great, and I also like the fact you can change the volume of the DAC on the remote directly through the DAC hardware whilst the PC master volume still stays at 100%...so that volume control is all happening independantly in the DAC. I've been running it in preamp mode, sounds great. Actually I think it's providing better results than both my SoundblasterX G6 DAC and also my Asus Xonar U7 DAC, but I think a large part of that might be because the E30 DAC outputs a full 2V whilst my G6 only outputs about 1.5V and the Xonar U7 is even less at 1V....so I think that's better gain staging with the E30 DAC, especially as there is 5dB of headroom eaten up by room eq via REW/Equaliser APO implementation.

I applied the latest drivers and also the latest 1.08 firmware that fixes the absolute polarity issue for USB input...I'm using it via USB input, so that's fine. I've not tried different filters yet but from prior research and my historical preference with filters on other DACS I'm likely to prefer the stock filter for the E30 anyway. I also like you can turn the DAC off via the remote, and of course the volume control that I already mentioned. The unit looks great next to my TV and I like the soft orange gentle illumination of the readout. Yeah, this is a good product, I'm pleased with my purchase. (My unit is one of the 2003 serial numbers.)

This is the second review (subjective) that has highlighted "lifeless" results from the E30 when used in it's preamp mode when compared to DAC only mode. Are there ASR listeners that back this up (or counter arguement against it), or notice a difference when using it in DAC only mode with a separate "clean" preamp? As a buyer looking for my first DAC I was looking to utilise the preamp function for volume control straight into a power amp but now I've seen a couple of reviews mention the same thing I have my concerns...
Preamp mode is good, sounds good with my active JBL 308 speakers, that's how I use it.
I received my E30 today. All is good. I run actives from it using some HS7 Yamaha speakers. Sound is nice in preamp mode(connected to a TV using Optical). I am wanting to see if there is a sonic difference between DAC mode and preamp mode like others on this thread. If I change to DAC mode, can I use my PC to adjust the volume? Or is it better to reduce the "level" dial to suit required volume? I noted today that if I have the DAC at 0.00db in preamp mode, I really only need to turn the "level" dial up one or two notches to get adequate sound level. I guess I could do the same in DAC mode.
Sonically, I want to see if there is a difference between the two settings(some reviews say there is a major difference)
I have not updated the firmware. Sounds nice overall. Quite pleased(mainly because I can use the remote to control volume). Much better than the tv speakers I was used to.
I would think it's better to control volume directly on the DAC via remote rather than turning down volume in software on the PC. So I would run it in preamp mode to allow for volume control at the DAC. Ideally you have maximum signal coming from the DAC to your speakers and then you control volume on your active speakers, but that's a pain to do, so in reality it's better to set a sensible volume on the back of the speakers and then use the DAC to control the volume.....you'd set the dial on the back of the speakers for the maximum listening volume you would ever want when the DAC is outputting a full signal (0dB), then you use the DAC to control the volume from then on.
 
I've had this for a few days now and have had several long listening sessions. I have a 2003 serial number and have updated the firmware from 1.07 to 1.08. It does sound equally great in both the pre and dac modes. But the fact that I'm stuck with a model that operates in different polarities for the USB and SPDIF has disappointed me a bit, especially when new orders will be completely fixed (great for those customers don't get me wrong). I'm not going to send mine back due to the shipping costs from the UK to China as I'll lose out. I would like to see Topping reach out to their customers via their distributors and offer something back, whether that's an apology, or a discount against a future purchase, or an adequate and fair partial refund.
 
What's hilarious is that the only people complaining loudly here don't actually have an E30. The actual owners are happily using theirs.
hilarious? it's absolutely normal, because we found out about this issue right after we ordered it! it's a shame, don't you think so? and then we found out, that Topping already knew about it! while those who ordered it several months ago just accepted it, not such a shame
 
Ideally you have maximum signal coming from the DAC to your speakers and then you control volume on your active speakers, but that's a pain to do, so in reality it's better to set a sensible volume on the back of the speakers and then use the DAC to control the volume.....you'd set the dial on the back of the speakers for the maximum listening volume you would ever want when the DAC is outputting a full signal (0dB), then you use the DAC to control the volume from then on.

This also protects you, and your speakers, should someone inadvertently switch the E30 from PRE to DAC mode.

I've not tried different filters yet but from prior research and my historical preference with filters on other DACS I'm likely to prefer the stock filter for the E30 anyway.

The default (F3) is a minimum-phase fast-rolloff filter. That does seem to be a popular combination. One nice thing about the Topping DACs is that you can switch filters directly from the remote control. Makes testing out different filters much less of a pain.
 
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