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Topping DX5II Balanced DAC and Headphone Amp Review

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I solved with the support of Topping the reduced volume when turning on Crossfeed and here is the answer:
ME:
the crossfeed function is great. but every time it is turned on it lowers the volume quite a lot. especially when turning on "Convolution" the volume goes down a lot. with "Simple" it is a lot less but you can still hear that it is quieter overall. can you fix it??

TOPPING:
Hi,

This is not a fault of the unit, but the mutual crossfeed function itself is designed in this way. If you feel that the sound is low after turning on the function, you can increase the volume of the unit appropriately.
Had a chance to spend some time listening to the Convolver and while the 40% or so output loss is a little ridiculous, it sounds tight, trippy and glorious on my Para 2 with quite a bit of forward projection, even if there is some minor loss of details. The improvements in bass timing and treble attack are particularly impressive. Hair-raisingly good. Oof. Every crappily mastered 80s pop track sounds like an MQA or DSD (pick your poison) remastered masterpiece - maybe even better.
 
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Could someone help me with a really basic description of what this new crossfeed feature does?
 
Could someone help me with a really basic description of what this new crossfeed feature does?
The Convolver works a little different than a simple crossfeed (which just mixes a little of both channels together), it shapes impulse responses based on how it thinks the channels interact with each other in the presence of a given space. It looks like Topping also used it to tune IRs in general and it sounds really good.
 
and it sounds really good.
That part is going to be personal, depending on how close your HRTF is to the one they picked to use. It's a bit like headphone targets in that respect. There's a long list of options available which might offer a better personal fit, or you could use Impulcifer to make your own. That's why it would be good to see them add the option to upload your own.
 
What Crossfeed type is everyone using? Or maybe nothing? Simple with bs2b-ChuMoy or Convolution Studio Room sound like good options…

Simple - Link
  • Improved
    • not sure of the settings used
  • bs2b-default
    • 1) 700 Hz, 4.5 dB - default.
      This setting is closest to the virtual speaker placement with azimuth 30 degrees and the removal of about 3 meters, while listening by headphones.
  • bs2b-ChuMoy
    • 2) 700 Hz, 6 dB - most popular.
      This setting is close to the parameters of a Chu Moy's [3] crossfeeder.
  • bs2b-JanMeier
    • 3) 650 Hz, 9.5 dB - making the smallest changes in the original signal only for relaxing listening by headphones.
      This setting is close to the parameters of a crossfeeder implemented in Jan Meier's [4] CORDA amplifiers.
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Convolution - AI Answer

Convolution crossfeed in headphone listening attempts to simulate the experience of hearing speakers in a room by feeding a delayed and filtered version of one channel into the other, reducing the unnatural, absolute separation of left and right channels. The "Small Room" and "Studio Room" settings represent different simulated acoustic environments:
  • Small Room
    • This setting typically creates a tighter, more intimate space with shorter, faster, and more noticeable reflections, which can feel closer and more intense, sometimes even adding a slight sense of claustrophobia.
  • Studio Room
    • This setting often simulates a larger, more controlled, and damped environment (like a treated mixing studio), offering a more spacious, "out-of-head" sound with longer reflections and, often, a cleaner, more accurate stereo image, placing audio slightly further away.
Key Comparisons:
Perception of Space: Small Room brings the sound closer to the head; Studio Room moves the sound further away, simulating better depth.
Reflection Tail: Small Room has a shorter, faster reflection tail; Studio Room has a longer, more diffused, and controlled tail.
Intended Use: Small Room is better for intimate, dry, or close-miked recordings. Studio Room is better for general, full-mix, or "speaker-like" listening.
Performance: Convolution generally uses more CPU than algorithmic "Simple" crossfeed, but it is considered more realistic because it uses actual impulse responses of spaces.

Summary Table

FeatureSmall Room ConvolutionStudio Room Convolution
DistanceNear / Intimate Distant / "Speaker-like"
Reverb/ReflectionsFast, short, tightLonger, controlled, damped
SoundstageNarrower, intenseWider, more accurate
Best ForDry vocals, close instrumentsFull mixes, spatial imaging

Some users report that "Studio Room" (particularly when using tools like Slate VSX or similar) provides a better, less artificial sound, while "Small Room" might be too intense for some, causing faster listening fatigue.
 
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What Crossfeed type is everyone using? Or maybe nothing? Simple with bs2b-ChuMoy or Convolution Studio Room sound like good options…

Simple - Link
  • Improved
    • not sure of the settings used
  • bs2b-default
    • 1) 700 Hz, 4.5 dB - default.
      This setting is closest to the virtual speaker placement with azimuth 30 degrees and the removal of about 3 meters, while listening by headphones.
  • bs2b-ChuMoy
    • 2) 700 Hz, 6 dB - most popular.
      This setting is close to the parameters of a Chu Moy's [3] crossfeeder.
  • bs2b-JanMeier
    • 3) 650 Hz, 9.5 dB - making the smallest changes in the original signal only for relaxing listening by headphones.
      This setting is close to the parameters of a crossfeeder implemented in Jan Meier's [4] CORDA amplifiers.
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Convolution - AI Answer

Convolution crossfeed in headphone listening attempts to simulate the experience of hearing speakers in a room by feeding a delayed and filtered version of one channel into the other, reducing the unnatural, absolute separation of left and right channels. The "Small Room" and "Studio Room" settings represent different simulated acoustic environments:
  • Small Room
    • This setting typically creates a tighter, more intimate space with shorter, faster, and more noticeable reflections, which can feel closer and more intense, sometimes even adding a slight sense of claustrophobia.
  • Studio Room
    • This setting often simulates a larger, more controlled, and damped environment (like a treated mixing studio), offering a more spacious, "out-of-head" sound with longer reflections and, often, a cleaner, more accurate stereo image, placing audio slightly further away.
Key Comparisons:
Perception of Space: Small Room brings the sound closer to the head; Studio Room moves the sound further away, simulating better depth.
Reflection Tail: Small Room has a shorter, faster reflection tail; Studio Room has a longer, more diffused, and controlled tail.
Intended Use: Small Room is better for intimate, dry, or close-miked recordings. Studio Room is better for general, full-mix, or "speaker-like" listening.
Performance: Convolution generally uses more CPU than algorithmic "Simple" crossfeed, but it is considered more realistic because it uses actual impulse responses of spaces.

Summary Table

FeatureSmall Room ConvolutionStudio Room Convolution
DistanceNear / IntimateDistant / "Speaker-like"
Reverb/ReflectionsFast, short, tightLonger, controlled, damped
SoundstageNarrower, intenseWider, more accurate
Best ForDry vocals, close instrumentsFull mixes, spatial imaging

Some users report that "Studio Room" (particularly when using tools like Slate VSX or similar) provides a better, less artificial sound, while "Small Room" might be too intense for some, causing faster listening fatigue.
The Studio Room Convolver is very well tuned. Not just (or even) the spatial effects, but the overall musicality is outstanding. But do you know why the overall gain is so diminished? For anyone with high impendence cans, that becomes an issue.
 
The Studio Room Convolver is very well tuned. Not just (or even) the spatial effects, but the overall musicality is outstanding. But do you know why the overall gain is so diminished? For anyone with high impendence cans, that becomes an issue.
Thanks for the feedback. I am not sure, must be something to do with potential clipping??
 
Thanks for the feedback. I am not sure, must be something to do with potential clipping??
That makes sense to me. What makes the Convolver good isn't (just) the spatial effects but the tightness of the impulse responses. But I suppose there can't be a setting that only deals with the IRs without spatial effects since Convolvers work with "real" space measurements. Is that correct?
 
But do you know why the overall gain is so diminished?
Each channel is convolved with itself and the other channel.

Plenty of headroom is required so that both channels playing 0dBFS won't result in digital clipping.
 
Has anyone noticed PEQ disabling on them? It has happened to me twice yesterday, and I haven't been able to figure out why just yet. If anyone else has encountered this, please share.
 
Has anyone noticed PEQ disabling on them? It has happened to me twice yesterday, and I haven't been able to figure out why just yet. If anyone else has encountered this, please share.
PEQ can be set to follow the output.

For example I run my IEMs single ended and my headphones balanced. Depending on the output I select the EQ and if its ON/OFF status will change. It's convenient and I have it on for both outputs with different curves.
 
PEQ can be set to follow the output.

For example I run my IEMs single ended and my headphones balanced. Depending on the output I select the EQ and if its ON/OFF status will change. It's convenient and I have it on for both outputs with different curves.

It's been disabling on its own without changing outputs. I have a pair of over-ear, and IEMs connected, and I use the HPA BAL for my OEs, and HPA SE for my IEMs, each with their own PEQ profiles -- it was set to HPA SE the whole time with my IEM PEQ profile enabled in the settings.

I need to investigate this further, but I thought I would put it out here in case anyone else has seen this happen (I'm not claiming it's a bug or anything, at this time it's just unusual behaviour I've noticed). It could be related to a UI bug with the new crossfeed addition I reported to Topping last week.

Edit:

And now what's happening is it's not saving my crossfeed settings. When I put the DX5 II into standby mode, and wake it up, the settings don't exactly revert to default, but they aren't what it was set to before the device was put to sleep.

Edit 2: Some very, very strange things are happening with my DX5 II right now. It's not just the crossfeed settings, now. It's not even saving my Input Option settings, and when it comes out of standby mode, it doesn't even stay on the output it was when it was put into standby mode. Not only that, the relay clicks disappear when changing outputs, or switching through the crossfeed options. Video link below:


Please let me know if you have any issues accessing the video, and also turn up the volume so that the relay clicks are audible so that you can see what I mean about them disappearing.

Edit 3:

I have reverted back to v1.93 for now since it is not exhibiting that weird behaviour. I tried rolling back the FW, and re-installing v2.07, but the issues returned when it was reinstalled, which tells me it's the FW. I did figure out that if I put the DAC into standby mode while it was set to LO BAL output, things sort of saved, but it would always return to LO BAL after waking up no matter which output was selected prior to going into standby mode. Is it just my unit or has anyone else encountered this strange behaviour as well? It definitely would account for why I was noticing my PEQ being disabled for no reason.

Another thing is the relay clicking (at least for the output switching) doesn't seem to happen when the USB input is being used (even with v1.93), so that could be normal behaviour that I just never noticed before. I could go on, but I think I need to sort out the information and eliminate the stuff that isn't actually an issue.
 
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Hi, I am an hi-fi newbie and new member of this forum, hope not to bother too much with the following. I am planning to buy a new headphone in the range of around 1000-1400$, maybe the Audeze LCD-x/Focal clear or similar in the same tier. Do you think this topping dx5 II would be enough to drive such a headphones or should I aim for something better? In case what should be the target?
I have some engineering knowledge from university and looking at the amazing reviews on this forum, seems I need to use my magnifying glass to spot improvements on much more expensive models.
 
Do you think this topping dx5 II would be enough to drive such a headphones
Absolutely, unless you hear so loud that you will be getting deaf.
 
Follow up to my last post (unfortunately, I can no longer edit the post) -- Topping responded regarding things not saving:

"We suspect that the data after standby is not synchronized in time. We will also arrange to fix this problem in the new firmware."
 
Hello, I am new to the world of hi-fi and to your forum. My first device was a Fosi Audio DS2. I listened through Fiio FT1 headphones, but I quickly sold that DAC and bought a Fiio KA17, which impressed me a lot. Then I got carried away and decided to add Hifiman Edition XS to my collection, but I sold the KA17 and bought a Fiio K7. On the XS headphones it sounds great with a very wide soundstage, but with the FT1 I clearly feel that on the K7 the soundstage is significantly narrower, instruments play much closer and not as detailed, although it’s much warmer. In the end I realized that I prefer an analytical sound signature with a lot of micro-detail.
Do you think the Topping DX5 II will give even more resolution in soundstage and detail than the Fiio KA17?
 
Hello, I am new to the world of hi-fi and to your forum. My first device was a Fosi Audio DS2. I listened through Fiio FT1 headphones, but I quickly sold that DAC and bought a Fiio KA17, which impressed me a lot. Then I got carried away and decided to add Hifiman Edition XS to my collection, but I sold the KA17 and bought a Fiio K7. On the XS headphones it sounds great with a very wide soundstage, but with the FT1 I clearly feel that on the K7 the soundstage is significantly narrower, instruments play much closer and not as detailed, although it’s much warmer. In the end I realized that I prefer an analytical sound signature with a lot of micro-detail.
Do you think the Topping DX5 II will give even more resolution in soundstage and detail than the Fiio KA17?
It might be due to you having open back planar phones to compare to the closed back FiiO cans, and nothing with the amp/DAC you have.
 
It might be due to you having open back planar phones to compare to the closed back FiiO cans, and nothing with the amp/DAC you have.
So, you've listened to the KA17 and the Fiio K7 and can confidently say that they have the same sound character, presentation, and soundstage size?
 
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