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Topping DX5 II

PS> What PCM filter sounds most neatural to you folks. I have it set to pcm4, it seems adds more clarity on highs, and works in parity with my eq.
Also I use low gain setting, with my Ananda and balanced connection.
 
PS> What PCM filter sounds most neatural to you folks. I have it set to pcm4, it seems adds more clarity on highs, and works in parity with my eq.
Also I use low gain setting, with my Ananda and balanced connection.
I haven't compared but would be nice to have the most neutral going on all the time. So, which one is it?
 
PS> What PCM filter sounds most neatural to you folks. I have it set to pcm4, it seems adds more clarity on highs, and works in parity with my eq.
Also I use low gain setting, with my Ananda and balanced connection.
I believe filter 3 is the best based on something Amir said in one of his videos, don't remeber which video though. Something about it extending flat to 20 kHz and having low ripple if I remember correctly. I can't hear any difference between them though.

Edit: In this video he says you want the sharpest filter extending beyond 22 kHz (because of 44.1 kHz sample rate) that extends the lowest in the graph which looks like filter 3:

DX5 II filters:
DX5 II filters
 
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PS> What PCM filter sounds most neatural to you folks. I have it set to pcm4, it seems adds more clarity on highs, and works in parity with my eq.
Also I use low gain setting, with my Ananda and balanced connection.

I haven't been able to hear an ounce of difference switching between the different PCM filters.
 
But please of course use, balanced cable.
 
I believe filter 3 is the best based on something Amir said in one of his videos, don't remeber which video though. Something about it extending flat to 20 kHz and having low ripple if I remember correctly. I can't hear any difference between them though.
Thank you, looks it has a greater impact when you are doing eq on device itself. I definetely can hear difference in clarity of high notes. Or maybe it is just self lie.
 
I believe filter 3 is the best based on something Amir said in one of his videos, don't remeber which video though. Something about it extending flat to 20 kHz and having low ripple if I remember correctly. I can't hear any difference between them though.

Edit: In this video he says you want the sharpest filter extending beyond 22 kHz (because of 44.1 kHz sample rate) that extends the lowest in the graph which looks like filter 3:

DX5 II filters:
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These measurements have 1 big limit: they don't measure phase shift or transient response (in the case of linear filters). The audible difference can be quite severe: songs that hit much differently or in poor decimator filters (I'm sure these aren't) you can have phase rotations even lower than 10kHz you do hear that stuff quite a lot, and its effect is song dependent, since with songs with a lot of stereo information you could fairly easily throw them out of phase in that frequency range, causing information loss.
 
These measurements have 1 big limit: they don't measure phase shift or transient response (in the case of linear filters). The audible difference can be quite severe: songs that hit much differently or in poor decimator filters (I'm sure these aren't) you can have phase rotations even lower than 10kHz you do hear that stuff quite a lot, and its effect is song dependent, since with songs with a lot of stereo information you could fairly easily throw them out of phase in that frequency range, causing information loss.

So ignoring subjective opinions on what "sounds the best", what would be the optimal filter to use?
 
So ignoring subjective opinions on what "sounds the best", what would be the optimal filter to use?
The one that affects the signal the least. I don't know these filters, but looking at ripple or frequency response is not enough, just like it's not enough the delay figure coming from the ESS spec sheet without visualizing *how* the filter rings and not only how long. Having a filter that slightly shaves away 0.x db after 15khz in frequency response is tolerable if then the filter is very clean in behavior, having a perfect linear response in the audible range and very steep cutoff just to then have massive phase rotations in the audible range or a lot of pre-ringing makes no sense even if on paper on these graphs such filter would look perfect.

I can try to measure the phase shift and the transient response of the different filters somehow once I get my machine (it will take quite a while). But if someone already has testing tools and can measure them, that would be great.

I know you just want an answer like "just tell me which one to use man" but unfortunately I don't have it (at least not yet).
Mind you I'm quite positive overall they're all quite good, especially compared to regular consumer electronics, so it's improbable for any of them to be an horrible choice and usually the default filter is default for a reason.
 
Received mine just now, and I have to say that I'm not thrilled with the quality of the chassis machining. The top back of the unit looks awful, much worse in person than this picture shows. Unfortunately I don't think there's anything I can do about it, as the cost of shipping back is nearly half the cost of the unit.
The sticker on the bottom is quite the monstrosity, lol. and yeah, the feet came that dirty in the box, although I believe the foam packing material is what's stuck to it.
Hey everyone, update here on this, so I talked to Shenzhenaudio and they figured it might be packaging material that got stuck to the metal on the chassis, and suggested using alcohol soaked cotton to remove it. I was skeptical but sure enough, they were right! I couldn't remove them with my fingers, they looked exactly like scratches, felt like scratches, but dissolved completely with the isopropyl alcohol pads and now it looks perfect. Very happy with this outcome. If yours looks awful, try cleaning them off with alcohol pads!
This is also very confusing as I recall the DAC coming in a clear plastic wrap, lol. ...and also very ironic as the last thing I said was "although I believe the foam packing material is what's stuck to it."
 
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Hey everyone, update here on this, so I talked to Shenzhenaudio and they figured it might be packaging material that got stuck to the metal on the chassis, and suggested using alcohol soaked cotton to remove it. I was skeptical but sure enough, they were right! I couldn't remove them with my fingers, they looked exactly like scratches, felt like scratches, but dissolved completely with the isopropyl alcohol pads and now it looks perfect. Very happy with this outcome. If yours looks awful, try cleaning them off with alcohol pads!
This is also very confusing as I recall the DAC coming in a clear plastic wrap, lol. ...and also very ironic as the last thing I said was "although I believe the foam packing material is what's stuck to it."

That's good news. I also had a bit of glue on the top of my unit that looked like a long scratch when the right light hit it. It came clean off with some glass cleaner I had on hand.
 
Hey everyone, update here on this, so I talked to Shenzhenaudio and they figured it might be packaging material that got stuck to the metal on the chassis, and suggested using alcohol soaked cotton to remove it. I was skeptical but sure enough, they were right! I couldn't remove them with my fingers, they looked exactly like scratches, felt like scratches, but dissolved completely with the isopropyl alcohol pads and now it looks perfect. Very happy with this outcome. If yours looks awful, try cleaning them off with alcohol pads!
This is also very confusing as I recall the DAC coming in a clear plastic wrap, lol. ...and also very ironic as the last thing I said was "although I believe the foam packing material is what's stuck to it."
That's good news. I also had a bit of glue on the top of my unit that looked like a long scratch when the right light hit it. It came clean off with some glass cleaner I had on hand.
It's nice that the problem was solved so easily; in the picture it really did look like scratches.

A warning to all users: only remove such dirt with dish soap, window cleaner, or pure isopropyl alcohol (also known as isopropanol), as @jcadduono and @ziggurcat have done.
Other products, such as nail polish remover, solvents, etc., could damage the surface and make it unsightly.
 
Will this dac/amp be able to run Hifiman HE1000SE?
It does so nicely, balanced as well as unbalanced. More power than needed in both cases.
 
I should actually get my DX5 II today -- perfect timing with the new FW update.
I hope that most of the issues people have experienced are fixed, and don't stop reporting any new issues to Topping! :cool:

There's still a bug I found with LDAC playback on the latest v1.57 firmware: A short crackling noise that occurs if a source is played that immediately has sonic content.

Doesn't happen on SBC or AptX mode, weirdly enough.

Already emailed Topping support about this.

This happened on the D50 III before it got fixed in a update, so this should be an easy fix for them. (Crosses fingers)
 
So ignoring subjective opinions on what "sounds the best", what would be the optimal filter to use?

Generally, linear phase fast roll-off for music and minimum phase fast roll-off for more latency-critical applications like monitoring, gaming, movies etc.

Ringing and phase distortion are not that big of a deal. Your priorities are keeping a flat frequency response and avoiding ultrasonic junk.

If you know what you're doing and have a specific reason to use other filters, then they're there.
 
Generally, linear phase fast roll-off for music and minimum phase fast roll-off for more latency-critical applications like monitoring, gaming, movies etc.

Ringing and phase distortion are not that big of a deal. Your priorities are keeping a flat frequency response and avoiding ultrasonic junk.

If you know what you're doing and have a specific reason to use other filters, then they're there.
Ask mix or mastering engineers if ringing and phase distortion are not that big of a deal. It’s a massive deal. Now I’m not sure the average listen can even spot either, especially without having as mental reference the appropriate sound, also I don’t think (at least I hope) neither are too bad in the case of the topping filters. Most likely they’re all decent and with some trade-offs among them. Also I invite you to spot a +- 0.3db difference at 20kHz, heck even a 1db difference. It’s not practically relevant. Now the same way add or remove a phase rotation that starts at 1kHz in something like a rock or metal song, and I’d argue even the average bear would hear a difference. I’d trade-off a bit of linearity in the frequency domain for phase linearity and clean transient any day.
Unfortunately you can’t have everything in life, there’s always a bit to trade off, even if new FIR and IIR filters are improving in design.
 
It's nice that the problem was solved so easily; in the picture it really did look like scratches.

A warning to all users: only remove such dirt with dish soap, window cleaner, or pure isopropyl alcohol (also known as isopropanol), as @jcadduono and @ziggurcat have done.
Other products, such as nail polish remover, solvents, etc., could damage the surface and make it unsightly.

I should note that the window cleaner I used wasn't just your regular old Windex, it was more of an aerosol that comes out as a white foam (so it's a bit more heavy-duty). Also, it was a very minimal amount of glue that a portion had wiped off with a bit of pressure from my finger. I would imagine something like a rubber cement remover (a tiny amount on a lint-free rag) would have worked, and I probably could have used a bit of tape (using a hair waxing technique) to get it off cleanly without any cleaner/chemical.
 
There's still a bug I found with LDAC playback on the latest v1.57 firmware: A short crackling noise that occurs if a source is played that immediately has sonic content.

Doesn't happen on SBC or AptX mode, weirdly enough.

Already emailed Topping support about this.

This happened on the D50 III before it got fixed in a update, so this should be an easy fix for them. (Crosses fingers)

I also heard a pretty weird "sizzle" sound when I was messing around with the settings in my Mac's MIDI app while I had some music playing, but it's something I wouldn't ever do on a day-to-day basis. I can't remember exactly what I had done, but if I can get it to happen again, I'll let them know.
 
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