Topping DX5 II

[Nezil]

To my knowledge, you can't have two PEQ filters active at the same time, if that's what you're trying to accomplish.

I’m not. I’m expecting the same PEQ on both LO outputs.

 

[Berwhale]

I ordered from Shenzhen audio at 10:56BST on the 10th and asked them about shipping today. They pointed me towards the update (dated to the 11th) on the store page stating that the 1st batch was sold out and that i'd have to wait 30 days for the next batch. I'm in two minds whether to cancel the order, I know I'd just go to the back of the queue to get it somewhere else...

Finally on it's way, 6 weeks after ordering...

 

[Bleib]

OK, this is the first time I get HP DC abnormal failure and the sound goes quiet several times

https://fb.watch/B4M837zrvr

(link might not work)
Warning: Political content, a certain someone talks about WINDMILLS
(1.49 firmware installed, so it appears the DC protection does work)

 

[jodrim]

OK, this is the first time I get HP DC abnormal failure and the sound goes quiet several times

https://fb.watch/B4M837zrvr

Warning: Political content, a certain someone talks about WINDMILLS
(1.49 firmware installed, so it appears the DC protection does work)

Yeah it happens with relatively high volume for me. The left channel has more DC offset than the right

 

[Joachim Herbert]

So dc protection works as expected?

 

[ziggurcat]

So dc protection works as expected?

Perhaps it's a bit too sensitive? I have no idea how to tell how bad that amount of DC offset is...

 

[Joachim Herbert]

Perhaps it's a bit too sensitive? I have no idea how to tell how bad that amount of DC offset is...

Irgendwas ist immer.

 

[Bleib]

Perhaps it's a bit too sensitive? I have no idea how to tell how bad that amount of DC offset is...

Quick comparison with SMSL PS200. It plays all of the audio at full volume.
So yes, perhaps too sensitive, but at least headphones and speakers should be safe

 

[Tech9Now]

OK, this is the first time I get HP DC abnormal failure and the sound goes quiet several times
Warning: Political content, a certain someone talks about WINDMILLS
(1.49 firmware installed, so it appears the DC protection does work)

Same Here. I had to lower the Volume in the Media Player

 

[Dandelion]

Quick comparison with SMSL PS200. It plays all of the audio at full volume.
So yes, perhaps too sensitive, but at least headphones and speakers should be safe

Call me crazy but I would deactivate the so-called protection completely if that's a possibility.

 

[Joachim Herbert]

During the last five or six years I had less than a dozen dc alarms on the ADI-2 DAC. I would rather not listen to these tracks than risking one of my headphones. Not even one of the cheap ones. As more and more audio is produced by clueless people, such a protection is a must have.

Now what about making this switchable? Bad idea in the consumer field. People will turn it off and complain about broken headphones. Seems like a loose loose proposition to me.

 

[audiofun]

During the last five or six years I had less than a dozen dc alarms on the ADI-2 DAC. I would rather not listen to these tracks than risking one of my headphones. Not even one of the cheap ones. As more and more audio is produced by clueless people, such a protection is a must have.

Now what about making this switchable? Bad idea in the consumer field. People will turn it off and complain about broken headphones. Seems like a loose loose proposition to me.

They need to tune their software a little bit more. The device needs to trigger and only trigger it when sufficient DC Level holding for long enough time.

 

[Dandelion]

During the last five or six years I had less than a dozen dc alarms on the ADI-2 DAC. I would rather not listen to these tracks than risking one of my headphones. Not even one of the cheap ones. As more and more audio is produced by clueless people, such a protection is a must have.

Now what about making this switchable? Bad idea in the consumer field. People will turn it off and complain about broken headphones. Seems like a loose loose proposition to me.

Almost totality of consumers listen to stuff without "DC" protection and everything is still fine without hardware catastrophes happening.

 

[Dandelion]

They need to tune their software a little bit more. The device needs to trigger and only trigger it when sufficient DC Level holding for long enough time.

That's my point on an earlier reply, what is calculated as DC and what is the appropriate level or mechanism to block it is opinionable. To you the current level might be too much to somebody else is too little, and maybe is DC maybe is something else that triggers as if it's DC, so you block both? What is "sufficient DC level" and "long enough" ? Those must be quantified to a number somehow. As manufacturer you can't make everybody happy and as well you might raise a problem that in reality most likely isn't too serious of a problem in first place. That's for example a field where Apple threads the needle perfectly with their products, delivering an appropriate level of features vs customizations and good experience. Arguably for the sake of having to bring something new every year they're starting to go towards the opposite direction ruining the user experience.

 

[Joachim Herbert]

They need to tune their software a little bit more. The device needs to trigger and only trigger it when sufficient DC Level holding for long enough time.

Two users, 587 levels of dangerous DC. Depending on volume, headphone/loudspeaker, incompetence of producer, time of day, willingness to take risk.

Seems they decided to skip DC protection in the first place. Result was uproar all over this place. They reintroduced DC protection: Oh my god, this is too sensitive...

As a manufacturer you can only loose.

 

[Sokel]

Almost totality of consumers listen to stuff without "DC" protection and everything is still fine without hardware catastrophes happening.

You only know that if you measure used gear advertised as "pristine" (no bad intention to it, they maybe sound like it) only to find out that are way under their specs.
I prefer a good DC protection (even a not so good) than none at all.

Also if you measure enough tracks you'll find snakes coming out these days.
They DO mix white noise (yes, they do) cause there's a trend around that helps with meditation (poor, POOR no robust made amps and tweeters )

 

[malaire]

I think that having DC protection as an option which defaults to ON would be good compromise. Then user is responsible if they turn it off and DC damages their speakers/headphones.

 

[Joachim Herbert]

I think that having DC protection as an option which defaults to ON would be good compromise. Then user is responsible if they turn it off and DC damages their speakers/headphones.

Consumers will always blame the manufacturer then, claiming protection was on.

Might be different with audio professionals, which is why rme has three settings, one being off.

 

[Dandelion]

Btw why not just trigger a DC filter quietly and give an option in setting to have it on/off instead of being so disruptive to the listening experience?

 

[Bleib]

I think that having DC protection as an option which defaults to ON would be good compromise. Then user is responsible if they turn it off and DC damages their speakers/headphones.

Or different levels. High-medium-low-off