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Topping DX5 II

Well that might be the case, but what is the difference of using a bright microphone to get more brightness compared to using an EQ plugin? That is basically the same thing, only with lesser choice in microphones.
But I agreee, if your are not too constrained in budget, you will not only find a mic that does the job but a mic that does it very well.

BTW most of the (older) recordings of Schmitt have been made on (analogue) equipment that had orders of magnitude more distortion than the "toy eq" in a modern dac.

And Schmitt seemed to have another preference for sugaring the signal.
That explains a bit why this kind of music sometimes tastes a bit like candy floss to me.



I do not know whether you noticed it, but there is a contradiction. If music nowadays is produced wrongly "mid heavy" because of market influence and customer nonsense, how do I arrive at "natural" sound without EQ? Not to mention the need to correct for the idiosyncrasies of my room or those of my ears (HRTF) and headphones (and no, a four figure price tag will not correct for that).
It's totally different! In the first case you're using a violin instead of a viola, you have something that is physically doing something different. in the second case you're trying to make a viola play like it's a violin. You're manipulating a signal, and no matter how good you do it, you degrade the signal to some extent, especially if you're clueless of all the technicalities involved. Of course especially in mixing, you gotta do the best you can with what you have, if someone delivers you a turd, well you gotta try to put some make-up on and try to make it look like a cake. Just last night I had to make a reverbered iPhone recording sound like a studio recorded SM7B, I had to use AI to remove the space via a tool that costs a fortune, de-essing, corrective post-eq and so long and so forth, people listened to it and where ecstatic: omg this seems like magic! Yeah sure I prefer the edited version, but I hate all the artifacts that *I* can hear. Want a recording to sound like a SM7B in a recording studio? Use a SM7B in a studio, easy!

As for the reverbs Al Schmitt used: yes he used many, lexicon and emt 250 are delightful (he had the real emt), there's also the capitol chamber uad plugin they went to sample the responses of the chamber, I never used it, bricasti also great, keep in mind he would never send more than 1 thing to each, and he was very parsimonious with echoes, the role was to give size and body to the different parts, very difficulty you'll find some songs he did with tremendous tails and spaced out. For the outboard, sure early days was very limited, the man started when eq and compressors didn't even exist! But he always used top notch outboard, his late selection was outstanding, when he died they auctioned all his outboard, I was so sad, luckily all the rare microphones were kept by the family.

For the sound: it's not necessarily mixed wrong, as for the balance pretty much everything is either pink noise contour (3db/oct slope equal perceived energy) mixed or 4.5db/oct (more bass heavy), and more rarely someone delivers something a bit brighter. The density instead we're going towards bricks of sound to no end. Yeah it's crazy town, pop music gets mixed mid heavy and hyper compressed, people do U curves because they like the sound, but what they're doing is boosting the overall signal and adding transient again basically, and most people don't level match, because otherwise they would calm down and realize yes they're boosting low and highs but also at same loudness they're making the midrange disappear. Midrange is where the content is, low and high is where the emotions of the songs often sit. So it's a cycle of crazy yes hehe
 
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Modern times ....
Summary of this topic so far: (for those that don't want to read the full 60+ pages)
- Topping is going to release a new DAC-HP amp in the near future.
- Oh wow, it has PEQ! It will be the best thing EVER!
- When will they release it?
- ... it's taking them some time.
- Damn Topping, why don't you communicate about the release date?
- Oh man, they postponed it a little. I want it yesterday.
- TOPPING WHERE IS IT!!!???!!!
- TOPPING!!! HEEEEELLOOOOO!!!! WHEN??!!!
- Oh nice, they will release it soon!
- Pre-ordered it!
- a) It'll be here soon. Happy!!!
- b) They're already out of stock! WTF!?
- c) Ordered it but delivery is postponed. Sad.
- Got mine! Need to test. Excited!!
- It has some quirks...
- It has some bugs ...
- It's not even usable this way!
- WTF! Why did Topping release a product that's not even finished yet!? They released it too soon!
- What does f-ing Topping think? They can't use us as beta testers!
- This thing is junk! I don't know if I want it anymore.
:rolleyes:
 
Honestly my take on the DX5 II so far is that it absolutely needs to have its bugs sorted out and you're kind of buying a beta product unfortunately. But the quirks are things I can live with/work around and this has become my daily driver and the headaches it adds are far outweighed by the headaches it solved!
 
Btw is it certain that amirm will do review when it will be more available and perhaps production line sorted out? Really look forward to his measurements.
 
Honestly my take on the DX5 II so far is that it absolutely needs to have its bugs sorted out and you're kind of buying a beta product unfortunately. But the quirks are things I can live with/work around and this has become my daily driver and the headaches it adds are far outweighed by the headaches it solved!
That’s why I always wait at least 6 months after the release date before buying any electronics. First customers are beta testers.
Look at the LG OLED G5 or latest intel processors. Barely work out of the box with an eye watering price. All disposable products that get outdated after 1 year, if still working.
 
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Modern times ....
Summary of this topic so far: (for those that don't want to read the full 60+ pages)
- Topping is going to release a new DAC-HP amp in the near future.
- Oh wow, it has PEQ! It will be the best thing EVER!
- When will they release it?
- ... it's taking them some time.
- Damn Topping, why don't you communicate about the release date?
- Oh man, they postponed it a little. I want it yesterday.
- TOPPING WHERE IS IT!!!???!!!
- TOPPING!!! HEEEEELLOOOOO!!!! WHEN??!!!
- Oh nice, they will release it soon!
- Pre-ordered it!
- a) It'll be here soon. Happy!!!
- b) They're already out of stock! WTF!?
- c) Ordered it but delivery is postponed. Sad.
- Got mine! Need to test. Excited!!
- It has some quirks...
- It has some bugs ...
- It's not even usable this way!
- WTF! Why did Topping release a product that's not even finished yet!? They released it too soon!
- What does f-ing Topping think? They can't use us as beta testers!
- This thing is junk! I don't know if I want it anymore.
:rolleyes:
- A very loud minority complaining about minor bugs. Silent majority using the device without issue.
 
Modern times ....
Summary of this topic so far: (for those that don't want to read the full 60+ pages)
- Topping is going to release a new DAC-HP amp in the near future.
- Oh wow, it has PEQ! It will be the best thing EVER!
- When will they release it?
- ... it's taking them some time.
- Damn Topping, why don't you communicate about the release date?
- Oh man, they postponed it a little. I want it yesterday.
- TOPPING WHERE IS IT!!!???!!!
- TOPPING!!! HEEEEELLOOOOO!!!! WHEN??!!!
- Oh nice, they will release it soon!
- Pre-ordered it!
- a) It'll be here soon. Happy!!!
- b) They're already out of stock! WTF!?
- c) Ordered it but delivery is postponed. Sad.
- Got mine! Need to test. Excited!!
- It has some quirks...
- It has some bugs ...
- It's not even usable this way!
- WTF! Why did Topping release a product that's not even finished yet!? They released it too soon!
- What does f-ing Topping think? They can't use us as beta testers!
- This thing is junk! I don't know if I want it anymore.
:rolleyes:
After a few years following consumer electronics releases you begin to see versions of this pattern everywhere. It's human nature.
 
@audiofun here is the reply to the feature request you asked me to submit in this post:
Post in thread 'Topping DX5 II'
https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-dx5-ii.60996/post-2347885

“Dear Sir

Thank you for your message and for sharing your feature request. We will forward your suggestion to our R&D team as a reference for future hardware and software updates.
Thank you again for your support and valuable feedback!


Best Regards,

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service
[email protected]
 
According to the specs, we will have independent PEQ for each output. Does this mean I can apply a high-pass filter to my passive speakers connected via XLR, and a low-pass filter to a subwoofer connected via RCA? Has anyone tested this? I'm aware of the issue with saving profiles, but that's a separate topic.
"each output" means each output option in settings (ALL, HPA ALL, LO ALL, HPA SE, HPA BAL, LO SE, LO BAL) . So you can only have one PEQ active at a time which is applied to all currently active outputs (e.g. with LO ALL both line-outs are active with same PEQ) and when you change output option then PEQ will also change.

(Alternatively you can make PEQ follow input to have independent PEQ for each input.)
 
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- A very loud minority complaining about minor bugs. Silent majority using the device without issue.
As they say 1 tree falling makes more noise than a forest growing. As well in this kinds of things the perception of reliability gets easily distorted: if I sell 1000 units of my product and 5 have some issues I have a defect rate of 0.5% if another producer sells 100 units of their product and only 1 has issues, their defect rate is double mine (1%) but just 1/5 the occurrences. So my production is more reliable and not only that, but I have 10x the samples so the defect rate is more reliable, the other producer could produce 200 and have 3 units fail, in that case reliability is even worse, but on a total number, people from the outside would still perceive my reliability as worse, because there's 5 people with their heads on fire experiencing inconveniences and shouting it to everybody online, while the other producer only has 1-3 (in my example).

I'm not vouching for any company, but it's fair to not be either too dramatic or too optimistic. unfortunately spending more doesn't necessarily mean better reliability (ask McLaren or Koenigsegg supercar owners), we will see.
 
After a few years following consumer electronics releases you begin to see versions of this pattern everywhere. It's human nature.
I usually stop following topics once I notice this trend. But this time I kept following.
It is 'interesting' to see the discussion evolve like this.
 
- A very loud minority complaining about minor bugs. Silent majority using the device without issue.
Sorry, but I disagree. I had before a DAC&AMP, and I changed it for the Topping because of the PEQ. The PEQ does not work, and this is a (the?) key feature of this device. If you don't believe it, read the first pages of this thread.
It's like you have a normal car and you change it for a cabriolet. And then you discover in the cabriolet you cannot open the roof...
Clearly I can still use the cabriolet-with-the-locked-roof to drive from A to B. But I cannot use its distinctive feature.

I use the Topping and I am still happy with it. But please don't tell me it's a "minor" bug. It's distinctive feature that does not work.
I spent money for the Topping and sold the old DAC/AMP. So I have less money now on the bank account (the difference between buying the Topping and selling the old) and the same features than before.
 
This. Nobody is being prevented, let alone prohibited, from buying anything, only informed what works and what, hopefully temporarily, does not.
 
Sorry, but I disagree. I had before a DAC&AMP, and I changed it for the Topping because of the PEQ. The PEQ does not work, and this is a (the?) key feature of this device. If you don't believe it, read the first pages of this thread.
It's like you have a normal car and you change it for a cabriolet. And then you discover in the cabriolet you cannot open the roof...
Clearly I can still use the cabriolet-with-the-locked-roof to drive from A to B. But I cannot use its distinctive feature.

I use the Topping and I am still happy with it. But please don't tell me it's a "minor" bug. It's distinctive feature that does not work.
I spent money for the Topping and sold the old DAC/AMP. So I have less money now on the bank account (the difference between buying the Topping and selling the old) and the same features than before.
it looks like it will be one of the first issues that willl be fixed . No doubt to it being the major item on the feature list !
 
This. Nobody is being prevented, let alone prohibited, from buying anything, only informed what works and what, hopefully temporarily, does not.
For sure.
However... if you go to the Topping Store (https://www.topping.store/products/topping-dx5-ii-hi-res-dac-headphone-amp-combo) it does NOT mention the temporarily not available feature. Indeed it is used as a selling argument.
Moreover, if you open the FAQ section at the bottom, you can read: "Yes. The DX5 II supports volume memory and saves PEQ settings, so when you turn it back on, your previous adjustments are automatically restored for both headphone and preamp modes."
"Supports" is a wrong word here. It should be "will support"

Or am I, as a buyer, obliged to read 60 pages of this forum before buying?
 
it looks like it will be one of the first issues that willl be fixed . No doubt to it being the major item on the feature list !
I also have no doubt, and this is why I am keeping the device.
I have just answered to people who say that:
a) this is a minor bug. It's not, it's a missing distinctive feature.
b) I should inform myself about what works and what not. The Topping store does not mention this missing feature
 
I have 0 doubts the preset saving/recall will be fixed fairly shortly, it may seem like a big deal to you guys, but on a software development point of view it's really trivial it's just reading/writing of a tiny csv, json or whatever format text file with the eq settings stored in it. One thing I see though, the new aurora UI/software stuff (and eq with it I believe) was introduced 2 years ago, I understand the product rollout to update the entire line takes time, but by now the software side they should have it down to a science and not even having to worry about it anymore. So if they can I believe they should beef up the software side of the company and not use temporary contractors to develop the software features in case they do (I'm totally unaware of what's their corporate setup, I'm not saying they hired contractors to develop that, but is not out of the realm of possibilities).
 
I’m getting lots of brief dropouts on both toslink and coax inputs. Makes the unit kind of unusable. Is this happening to anyone else?

Considering buying a reclocker, but that adds significantly to the price and kind of defeats the purpose of a budget DAC.
 
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