I don't think anybody's complaining because the equipment has high SINAD, they're just looking for better/expanded functionality.What's wrong with this forum?
Is it going the same way as the AVS viper's nest?
You complain when someone produces equipment with low SINAD.
You complain when someone produces equipment with high SINAD.
I was hoping for better.
Yes. And because similarly high SiNAD can be had for a fraction of the price - see the „blue range“ of the forum’s review chart (and not even considering audibility)I don't think anybody's complaining because the equipment has high SINAD, they're just looking for better/expanded functionality.
Topping has eliminated THD&N (and linearity etc.) as far as humans are concerned. Why keep paying engineers to solve a problem that is solved? To keep at the top of the ASR SINAD chart? It's valuable exposure but it's a pity the engineers aren't working on something that could tangibly improve the DAC.What's wrong with this forum?
Is it going the same way as the AVS viper's nest?
You complain when someone produces equipment with low SINAD.
You complain when someone produces equipment with high SINAD.
I was hoping for better.
Why 'smartphone' companies release every new flagship model every year? They are basically the same.Topping has eliminated THD&N (and linearity etc.) as far as humans are concerned. Why keep paying engineers to solve a problem that is solved? To keep at the top of the ASR SINAD chart? It's valuable exposure but it's a pity the engineers aren't working on something that could tangibly improve the DAC.
there are perceivable improvements in those new phones. "Worth it" is subjective, but many people using 2022 or earlier phones find reasons to upgrade.Why 'smartphone' companies release every new flagship model every year? They are basically the same.
I'll give you small hint, it's called business.
Oh there are improvements.there are perceivable improvements in those new phones. "Worth it" is subjective, but many people using 2022 or earlier phones find reasons to upgrade.
there are no perceivable improvements in this DAC (compared to DAC that 1/2 or less of its price)
D90SE was SMPS. I looked at the back panel of the D90iii and it looks like an SMPS.Purely out of interest, does anyone know whether Topping have stuck with a linear PS for the D90 III, or have they gone over to an SMPS, like many of their other DACs?
Mani.
improved compare to Topping D70 Pro Sabre ?Oh there are improvements.
For example better remote, trigger outs/ins. Different look
So?
As I said for some it's worth it for some it is not.
That's how it is, everything is based on consumption - not that I personally like it, it is how it is.
Since the measurement conditions are different between Amirm and TOPPING, the measurement results will also be different.I believe 123dB is the limit of APx555 that Amir owns, their own measurements - assumedly with newer version of AP shows 128dB, so they do make improvements (but only marginally and it does not really matter at this point). they are trying to compete in the "higher" end market and need something to show for it. Whether that justifies a new DACs, and a higher price tag, is up to debate of course.
But for example someone has Topping A90d and wants dac that has the same styling.improved compare to Topping D70 Pro Sabre ?
that is the problem, you have to find a very niche customer base for this DAC to make senses. this is exactly we are talking about.But for example someone has Topping A90d and wants dac that has the same styling.
So for him it could be worth the extra money.
Never judge people choices by your own view.
Try to look wider/deeper. People are different have different goals etc.
Hope that helps.
yeah that was pointed out to me. I missed out the "A-weighting" partSince the measurement conditions are different between Amirm and TOPPING, the measurement results will also be different.
・No weighting and A weighting
・~22.4kHz and ~20kHz
・4V and 5V
etc.
I can agree with customer support.that is the problem, you have to find a very niche customer base for this DAC to make senses. this is exactly we are talking about.
We want to see products that make senses to a broader audience. With prices that are reasonable. Features that are actually useful. And customer service that is actually helpful
1. exactly - it's free market and we are also free to criticize products that do not make senses in our viewI can agree with customer support.
But rest... it's called free market
I found very interesting that on ASR a lot of members (not talking to you but generally) have problem with prices of the products.
, and like to make fun (mocking or even call stupid) of people spending a lot of money on their equipment.
It;s funny how for example on head-fi it's quite the opposite.
Extremes are always bad.
Actually, I have an RPi running Volumio into a Pro-Ject Pre Box S2 Digital, which works very well. The music is on a NAS, accessible to any device in the house. I doubt that I would hear any difference with something SOTA but there is always that lingering doubt. *If* I wanted to spend a lot more, then the RME is an obvious replacement for the Pro-Ject. I can't see any need for another computer.I'd assume because for that kind of money you could build a small form factor computer and put PEQ software on it and have it feed a cheap audibly transparent dac.
with the proper compontents the pc will give you more possible inputs, and outputs.