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Topping D70s MQA Review (DAC)

Skinner001

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Like your persistence :). It’s really simple, bring the two DACs at home and audition them in your system to find out which one is a better fit. In my system and to my ears the D70s won by some margin, particularly in the soundstage depth department. Please don’t ask what SS depth means and disqualify my comments. You share your own listening experience without being critical to others.
In my experience the D70 sounds like unicorns farting in a filed of rainbows - if you plug it into my system you orgasm immediately and then you see the face of Zeus.

Does that sound like a statement fit for a forum that attempts to scientifically prove stuff.

If you qualify your statement by saying "my subjective opinion without any objective measurements or blind tests is that I like the D70 more - I have no proof that it does indeed sound different other than my feeling and my imperfect ears after sighted listening" then we're all fine - we all have many reasons to prefer certain things - to the point that we may believe they sound "better". I put better in quotations because, again, we don't all prefer the same thing.

So, you have not demonstrated even the inclination to provide anything apart from anecdotal evidence.
It's the same as commenting on vaccines because you know of a few cases with side-effects - while billions of others have had it and been fine - the numbers tell us what the truth is.

So for anyone reading this - there is no proof to these claims, this person has a preference that depends on a ton of things that have no objective underpinning.
 

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In my experience the D70 sounds like unicorns farting in a filed of rainbows - if you plug it into my system you orgasm immediately and then you see the face of Zeus.

Does that sound like a statement fit for a forum that attempts to scientifically prove stuff.

If you qualify your statement by saying "my subjective opinion without any objective measurements or blind tests is that I like the D70 more - I have no proof that it does indeed sound different other than my feeling and my imperfect ears after sighted listening" then we're all fine - we all have many reasons to prefer certain things - to the point that we may believe they sound "better". I put better in quotations because, again, we don't all prefer the same thing.

So, you have not demonstrated even the inclination to provide anything apart from anecdotal evidence.
It's the same as commenting on vaccines because you know of a few cases with side-effects - while billions of others have had it and been fine - the numbers tell us what the truth is.

So for anyone reading this - there is no proof to these claims, this person has a preference that depends on a ton of things that have no objective underpinning.
As mentioned before, I offered that you visit me at home for a quick audition between two DACs and you be the judge. Drinks on me too :)
 

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As mentioned before, I offered that you visit me at home for a quick audition between two DACs and you be the judge. Drinks on me too :)
This all sounds folksy and nice - but I'm not sure if you're trolling or, well, something less charitable than trolling...
As if you do not understand the basic idea of what we are trying to convey - or do not want to understand.
Even if I came to your home, and listened and thought there was a difference - it would still not be proof of anything.

First, show measurable differences.
Second, have a bunch of people, a nice, decent sample so that the test has sufficient statistical power, do blind, well controlled listening tests --> show that differences are audible and statistically significant.

Without those two steps - and you'll notice that for step 2 not much in the way of expensive equipment is required - everything else is fluffy, unproven belief based rubbish.

We require such rigors when people make claims that have no support and any attempt to provide such evidence has failed. Therefore, when making that claim, you can't say "come listen and have a drink" - that's not an argument, nor a good faith attempt to provide one.
 

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Thanks everyone, I'll likely grab the one with the features I want, which will likely be the d90se. I don't think I could really go wrong either way reading your responses.

Although I'll probably keep looking around just in case before I buy it, the fomo is real.
 

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Awakes this thread, hoping for insights. Looking for a silent and lean DAC, no warmth, no cozyness like tubes, but absolutely no sibilance or harsch highs. The testfigures are one thing, often when getting to the "dirty" invironment we call homes, the interference immunity is stressed by both massive airborne and wireborn noise. To you guys/gals who actually own one, or have significant experience from it, how would you rank the perceived dynamic range/background noise level when connected to your mains and your adjacent gear?
Can you, when gear is running, no source playing and volume up to max, put your ear to the speaker (treble or mid) and there's is no or very, very low hisssss?
I still use the Benchmark DAC-1 AES3. I've tried the RME ADI-2 DAC fs, which sounded better but displayed a very erratic behaviour with HQPlayer Embedded. Encouraging, since it challanged my opinion of poor external SMPSU and lack of a reasonably clean ground.
Anyone listened to both; D70s and the RME? The RME cured a somewhat boomy midbase. The power amp is Benchmark ABH2. Speakers are Marten Parker Trio. Looking forward to your reply :)
 

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Awakes this thread, hoping for insights. Looking for a silent and lean DAC, no warmth, no cozyness like tubes, but absolutely no sibilance or harsch highs. The testfigures are one thing, often when getting to the "dirty" invironment we call homes, the interference immunity is stressed by both massive airborne and wireborn noise. To you guys/gals who actually own one, or have significant experience from it, how would you rank the perceived dynamic range/background noise level when connected to your mains and your adjacent gear?
Can you, when gear is running, no source playing and volume up to max, put your ear to the speaker (treble or mid) and there's is no or very, very low hisssss?
I still use the Benchmark DAC-1 AES3. I've tried the RME ADI-2 DAC fs, which sounded better but displayed a very erratic behaviour with HQPlayer Embedded. Encouraging, since it challanged my opinion of poor external SMPSU and lack of a reasonably clean ground.
Anyone listened to both; D70s and the RME? The RME cured a somewhat boomy midbase. The power amp is Benchmark ABH2. Speakers are Marten Parker Trio. Looking forward to your reply :)
I have the D70s - it's dead neutral - I use it as reference to which I compare my other DACs. If you experience 'sibililance' with this DAC, the rest of the system and/or the recording is the problem, but definitely not this DAC. For the price, I think it's a steal. If you want subjective impressions, look for the soundnews review of the Topping D70s.
 
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hi, I'm about to buy a d70, but I have the possibility to buy a d70s too, clearly the price goes up ... I don't use either mqa or bluethoot, my question is ... sound level without these features something changes between the two ? because reading it is said that the d70s is better in terms of basses etc etc, but I wonder if the comparison was made on a par, and not between mqa of the d70s and without mqa of the smooth d70! thank you very much for your reply!
 

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I bought the D70s and I'm fully satisfied. Now I am on the verge of buying a Purifi power amp that will be directly fed by the DAC.
I am quite intrigued by the Audiophonics Purifi implementation since it has the option of bypassing the input buffer, this is stated in their website:
"In its bypass configuration, the signal goes directly through the modules (12.8dB). No other gain is applied . The bypass mode is relevant in cases where the Purifi amplifier is used with a strong preamplifier supporting a load of 2 to 4kOhm with a voltage ~ 10V RMS."
Now does our brave D70s support such 2 to 4kOhm load?
With my specific room and speakers, my current power amp (Nad 320 BEE, preamp bypassed) is fed by RCA, and I hardly push the DAC louder than -20db, so it would be not a problem to drive the Purifi just up to 5volts instead of 10.
Is the D70s capable of driving the Purifi with no input buffer?
 

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Ho acquistato la D70 e sono pienamente soddisfatto. Ora sono sul punto di acquistare un finale Purifi che sarà alimentato direttamente dal DAC.
Sono piuttosto incuriosito dall'implementazione di Audiophonics Purifi poiché ha la possibilità di bypassare il buffer di input, questo è affermato nel loro sito Web:
"Nella sua configurazione di bypass, il segnale passa direttamente attraverso i moduli (12.8dB). Non viene applicato nessun altro guadagno. La modalità bypass è rilevante nei casi in cui l'amplificatore Purifi viene utilizzato con un potente preamplificatore che supporta un carico da 2 a 4kOhm con un tensione ~ 10 V RMS."
Ora i nostri coraggiosi D70 supportano un carico da 2 a 4kOhm?
Con la mia stanza e gli altoparlanti specifici, il mio attuale amplificatore di potenza (Nad 320 BEE, preamplificatore bypassato) è alimentato da RCA, e difficilmente spingo il DAC più forte di -20db, quindi non sarebbe un problema pilotare il Purifi solo fino a 5 volt invece di 10.
La D70s è in grado di pilotare il Purifi senza buffer di input?
i drive my 50kOhm impedance class D amp with the D70s and there aren't problems. Best Dac D/S of the last two yeras in my opinion
 
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