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Topping D10s USB DAC and Bridge Review


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In all seriousness, create a controlled listening environment and watch as all previously perceived differences vanish into thin air.
I agree with you in regard to an ideal listening room which I haven’t any access to.
I can’t rely on initial impressions just by listening either. For example what seemed to a weightier bass with the 1656 earlier today has actually been disproved this evening going back to the LME stock amp.
The LME is carrying the extra low end where the 1656 now’s comes across as the more evenly spread sound…
 
I really can’t say I have noticed any oscillation during play back. Just popped a 1622 in which is slightly different again. Smoother but a fraction less open soundstage. I know, probably not the science bit,
This is all complete placebo effect, at no point in time, thus changing an op amp make these kind of changes to the actual sound, because op amps don't actually work this way.
 
This is all complete placebo effect, at no point in time, thus changing an op amp make these kind of changes to the actual sound, because op amps don't actually work this way.
Well, I found myself fallible this evening so the application for Popes job in the bin.

That’s said the 1622 is really nice, notably smoother than the 1656. Using a MacBook Air to the D10s.
 
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What I wouldn’t mind trying is swapping the two opa1656 that are directly soldered to the PCB and replacing them with the opa1622. I’ve a hunch it will sound better, better bieng subject to taste which is in this case smoother.

Anyway after the tour of duty I am back to the stock LME in the output stage for the bass mainly which after a second listening session is found to be the weightier option.

The Burson maybe here tomorrow or early next week so will give that a whirl for the fun of it when it arrives.
Cheers ASR for your patience with this novice.
 
What I wouldn’t mind trying is swapping the two opa1656 that are directly soldered to the PCB and replacing them with the opa1622. I’ve a hunch it will sound better, better bieng subject to taste which is in this case smoother.
... which is the cause why you will hear such differences in sound where none exist in the first place.
Anyway after the tour of duty I am back to the stock LME in the output stage for the bass mainly which after a second listening session is found to be the weightier option.
... a difference created by the human brain, taking in all knowledge about what you know about the device under test. That's the way our brains work, without exception. In reality there are no such audible differences since, as @Jimster480 has stated above, opamps do not work that way.
The Burson maybe here tomorrow or early next week so will give that a whirl for the fun of it when it arrives.
Cheers ASR for your patience with this novice.
With above said, have as much fun as possible with opamp rolling. But don't come back claiming those differences you hear do actually exist outside of your brain.
 
... which is the cause why you will hear such differences in sound where none exist in the first place.

... a difference created by the human brain, taking in all knowledge about what you know about the device under test. That's the way our brains work, without exception. In reality there are no such audible differences since, as @Jimster480 has stated above, opamps do not work that way.

With above said, have as much fun as possible with opamp rolling. But don't come back claiming those differences you hear do actually exist outside of your brain.
I will do just that, have fun with this little unit. I will say before I vanish that if I was to build a dac or amp myself I would never ever build one of either on measurements alone and without my own ears listening to parts in certain stages many times over. That’s a certain, cheers!
 
Dropped this bad boy in today. The Burson, the best! To my ears this is followed by the opa1622 for the D10s. The 1656, after numerous listening tests, is quite evenly balanced but a little light on the bass for my tastes but what is there is tight/accurate. The 1622 is a cut above the apparently supreme 1656 to my ears. The 1622 is just smoother, less distortion and the difference is easy to hear. The stock LME does a fine job too.
The Burson is staying in for the long haul. Big juicy bass, full vocals, highs are a slightly more rolled off comparatively but very easy to listen to for longer and they are detailed, like pinpoint and it’s nice to catch.
Cheers ASR!
Great thread and very helpful.
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Dropped this bad boy in today. The Burson, the best! To my ears this is followed by the opa1622 for the D10s. The 1656, after numerous listening tests, is quite evenly balanced but a little light on the bass for my tastes but what is there is tight/accurate. The 1622 is a cut above the apparently supreme 1656 to my ears. The 1622 is just smoother, less distortion and the difference is easy to hear. The stock LME does a fine job too.
The Burson is staying in for the long haul. Big juicy bass, full vocals, highs are a slightly more rolled off comparatively but very easy to listen to for longer and they are detailed, like pinpoint and it’s nice to catch.
Just to keep everything in perspective: without any controls and blind testing these statements have no worth to anybody except the poster.
 
I wonder if the measurements Amir made about the op-amp rolling have been looked at for some...
 
Burson -> expensive hobbyist shite opamps, no self-respecting manufacturer would plug these in default
Sadly this was my experience. Everything I tried these in made the devices sound worse... When I first stumbled upon Burson I didn't know enough in the audio world yet and their marketing made it seem like they were a boutique company doing things differently to extract better performance... before I even found this site my EARS told me that this wasn't the case.... but again I was always very objective and scientific so even if I purchased something based on marketing.... I spent time to check and listen.... I put a Burson Op Amp in my Topping A30 (which is funny because the op Amp cost more than half as much as the Amp).... but the "marketing" was that this would make my A30 into a SOTA Amp... instead it made the amp sound harsh and bright and sharp... I tried with a few different headphones I had and they all sucked with this amp vs the LM4562 which was my favorite "rolled" Op Amp from the original TI Op Amp that it came with...
Burson then sent me a whole Amp (complete with a few of their Op Amps) to "test and review" and ultimately I couldn't even listen to it because it was so harsh sounding... I sent it into Amir and the performance turned out to be quite bad. After that I think the unit was lost in the mail during one of the hurricanes....
 
Greetings to the forum. I have a Topping D10S and also a D10 Balanced. The default audio settings in Windows 11 for the D10S are 384kHz/32bit and for the D10 Balanced it is 44kHz/32bit. Most of the music I listen to (FLAC format stored on the computer HDD) is 44kHz/16bit (occasionally 44kHz/24bit). So I want to ask does it make sense to leave it set at such high values ? Thank you for your answers.
 

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Greetings to the forum. I have a Topping D10S and also a D10 Balanced. The default audio settings in Windows 11 for the D10S are 384kHz/32bit and for the D10 Balanced it is 44kHz/32bit. Most of the music I listen to (FLAC format stored on the computer HDD) is 44kHz/16bit (occasionally 44kHz/24bit). So I want to ask does it make sense to leave it set at such high values ? Thank you for your answers.
You just don't have the topping drivers installed, install those, and you can see all. Noticed this more in 23H2 and up
 
You want to play your music using an app that supports audio device exclusive mode or maybe ASIO, if you do then these settings have no effect.
 
The default audio settings in Windows 11 for the D10S are 384kHz/32bit and for the D10 Balanced it is 44kHz/32bit.
There's no deeper meaning behind these values, they're effectively random and you can change them as you see fit.

Most of the music I listen to (FLAC format stored on the computer HDD) is 44kHz/16bit (occasionally 44kHz/24bit). So I want to ask does it make sense to leave it set at such high values ?
No. Anything beyond 48kHz serves zero purpose for music playback.

You just don't have the topping drivers installed, install those, and you can see all.
Rasto can see all sample rates with both DACs, it's just that they're set to those values by default.
 
Thanks for the reply. And one more question if I may, Wasapi or ASIO ? Is there any difference or does it not matter ?
 

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Thanks for the reply. And one more question if I may, Wasapi or ASIO ? Is there any difference or does it not matter ?
Both ASIO and Wasapi Exclusive are bit-exact and so transmit identical sound.

Wasapi tends to be slightly more stable IME, so that's what I'd use.
 
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