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Topping D10s USB DAC and Bridge Review

That seems wrong. Isn't it ~6dB/bit for linear PCM giving ~192dB?

You're right. That's what I get from doing a lazy late night Google seach instead of doing the math :facepalm::oops:

But yeah, 192dB dynamic range is still a hella lot.

Yes, the most SOTA DAC of today can't "even" resolve 24 bits, but it gets a lot worse when things become acoustic. If you want to find a listening room + speaker setup that lets you take advantage of the full 144dB dynamic range of 24 bit audio, all I can say is... good luck.
 
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MediumRare said:
The DAC already has all those things, all you need to add is the WiFi. As many have said, a raspberry pi costs $10 including a 1 ghz cpu. Come on

Well, I'll say it, I'm all about getting great sound at a democratic prices, everybody should be able to afford good performance, I'm guilty of this myself, I do own and enjoy a topping product myself, but let's not kid ourself, this doesn't represent the real cost of things, And I'm not saying this in a diminutive way, how Asian manufacturer are able to achieve that, sorry but the maths just don't add up, and it's kudos to them really, it's an achievement. I don't know where you find those prices. A Pi is not 10 bucks, the Arduino board you showed me don't have a full WIFI PHY, just the chip. The mad volumes of consumer electronics, when you think mad volumes I mean smartphone level volumes, millions, got us to think that electronics are worth a dime a chip, but it's all an illusion. For example try to built a D10 like this as DIY, and you'll come about 3-4 times that just for parts, you didn't do assembly, marketing, distributors, retailers margin, etc etc etc. Great that Topping and a few others have enough of a solid mass around their bones to offer these ridiculous prices, but sorry, fitting a pi or an arduino and support only open source softwares to provide streaming capabilities, will never bring enough volume to warrant a sub 300$ price tag, no way on earth even China. Those modules are geared to appeal DIY, tech oriented geeks. But even then, built it yourself, and you'll break that 3 bills treshold, I guarantee this. To make volume, you'll need branding, and to have branding, you need pretty design, you need User friendly Interface, you need huge marketing, not put that on top of your cost. Again, if someone could offer that for 150$ He would. I challenge anybody to find a way to reach the price points you mention, good luck.
Have “quality sound” through wifi or ethernet streaming included in a small box containing a DAC for 150 euros-dollars?
Apple opened the way 20 years ago with its first AirportExpress terminal, further improved with its second version: considering their release date, the performance was remarkable for the price and even in absolute terms, including on the analog output .

Apple was followed by other brands (which must have read you to take your word) also offered a quality Dac and a wifi streamer in the same box for a very low price and useful quality performance on their analog outputs and perfect on the digital output. Linkplay-Wiim and its Mini first, then its Wiim Pro model achieved this for a price ranging from 90 to 160 euros in 2020...

Note that the AE and the Wiim are produced by companies based on software... and that the traditional hifi companies based on hardware are jettisoned in the field of streaming and correction of speakers and rooms: they call on external companies to implement this in their devices: Audyssey, Dirac, Room perfect, etc.
 
MediumRare said:
The DAC already has all those things, all you need to add is the WiFi. As many have said, a raspberry pi costs $10 including a 1 ghz cpu. Come on


Have “quality sound” through wifi or ethernet streaming included in a small box containing a DAC for 150 euros-dollars?
Apple opened the way 20 years ago with its first AirportExpress terminal, further improved with its second version: considering their release date, the performance was remarkable for the price and even in absolute terms, including on the analog output .

Apple was followed by other brands (which must have read you to take your word) also offered a quality Dac and a wifi streamer in the same box for a very low price and useful quality performance on their analog outputs and perfect on the digital output. Linkplay-Wiim and its Mini first, then its Wiim Pro model achieved this for a price ranging from 90 to 160 euros in 2020...

Note that the AE and the Wiim are produced by companies based on software... and that the traditional hifi companies based on hardware are jettisoned in the field of streaming and correction of speakers and rooms: they call on external companies to implement this in their devices: Audyssey, Dirac, Room perfect, etc.

Can we please shift this conversation back to the Topping D10S as a USB DAC and bridge? The original comment on $10 pi was from Jul 22, 2020 (page 3 of this 51 page long thread).
 
Does anyone know how to get standby/sleep working on the D10s in Windows? The DAC itself works great, but the display never turns off in Windows. Closing the audio player, changing the current audio output device in Windows, disabling the D10s in the sound settings, no matter what it's always on and just displays whatever the last sample rate was.
 
Does anyone know how to get standby/sleep working on the D10s in Windows? The DAC itself works great, but the display never turns off in Windows. Closing the audio player, changing the current audio output device in Windows, disabling the D10s in the sound settings, no matter what it's always on and just displays whatever the last sample rate was.
I've struggled with this on a raspberry pi (moOde OS) with a D10s connected.
There the solution was to apply a command to stop the USB port where the D10s is connected to. And then it shuts down.
Not sure how to accomplish this on Windows but perhaps this gives you a lead....
 
piCorePlayer is a bit unusual - the file you created exists only in RAM. To survive a reboot you need to tell it that it needs to be saved. See https://docs.picoreplayer.org/projects/autostart-squeezelite-from-usb-dac/ for a similar udev rule.
https://forums.slimdevices.com/foru...unce-picoreplayer-8-0-0?p=1519874#post1519874 suggests there's an extra step needed - probably running an extra command at startup to reload the udev rules?
Hi friend,

I have tried to follow all the steps you have outlined and I cannot get the Topping D10S to go to sleep with picoreplayer+LMS on my raspberry pi.

Could you explain in more detail how you achieved it?

Thank you!
 
I've struggled with this on a raspberry pi (moOde OS) with a D10s connected.
There the solution was to apply a command to stop the USB port where the D10s is connected to. And then it shuts down.
Not sure how to accomplish this on Windows but perhaps this gives you a lead....
Hey thanks for the reply. I have tried this DAC on some linux systems (Linux PC, Raspbery Pi), and on both of those I was able to get it working using the info I found in this same thread here. So if I can't figure it out on Windows I'll just switch things around again, I have a bunch of DACs
 
Does anyone know how to get standby/sleep working on the D10s in Windows? The DAC itself works great, but the display never turns off in Windows. Closing the audio player, changing the current audio output device in Windows, disabling the D10s in the sound settings, no matter what it's always on and just displays whatever the last sample rate was.
Is the USB port selective suspend setting turned on in your PC's power saving settings?
 
Hi friend,

I have tried to follow all the steps you have outlined and I cannot get the Topping D10S to go to sleep with picoreplayer+LMS on my raspberry pi.

Could you explain in more detail how you achieved it?

Thank you!
I haven't tried doing exactly that. I was just pointing to general differences between piCorePlayer and conventional linux distros. I can probably try something similar with a bus powered Focusrite Forte if I find the time.
 
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