Topping D10 Balanced Review (USB DAC)

[Veri]

Does D10 Balanced has hardware digital volume accessible from linux/windows driver?

Don't you mean software digital volume? That is available of course.

 

[nyxnyxnyx]

Are there any audible differences or improvements between this DAC and some dacs on the absolute top of the scoreboard?

I don't care much about functions or aesthetics, but I want to see if spending extra for a D70/D90 can be a good improvement on what aspects...

 

[usern]

Are there any audible differences or improvements between this DAC and some dacs on the absolute top of the scoreboard?

I don't care much about functions or aesthetics, but I want to see if spending extra for a D70/D90 can be a good improvement on what aspects...

You pay for functions and aestethics. More outputs costs more (XLR + RCA), more inputs costs more (SPIDF coax, optics). Bigger enclosure costs more. BT and its codecs, MQA, powersupply all add to the cost. But they all sound transparent, practically same. Don't buy D10B for amp with only RCA inputs though.

 

[Veri]

Are there any audible differences or improvements between this DAC and some dacs on the absolute top of the scoreboard?

I don't care much about functions or aesthetics, but I want to see if spending extra for a D70/D90 can be a good improvement on what aspects...

It doesn't get much better than D10B. Unless you seriously need something of the bigger brothers, probably not worth the cost IMO. DACs are not complicated stack aesthetics also matter to many people though.

 

[Toku]

I thought D10s has such feature and it is builtin ESS DAC chip. Am I wrong?

You are misunderstanding about the D10 series products.
The D10 series is a product made for a specific application and does not have the same functions as other DACs.
Choose a DAC other than the D10 series for the application you envision. That's the shortcut to making you happy.

 

[tmo]

so cool to see this kind of value for a DAC.

can anyone recommend an amp to go with this?

 

[HDavidson]

 

[tmo]

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thanks, but I can't find any info on the A10 balanced.

where did you find that photo?

 

[miofu]

You are misunderstanding about the D10 series products.
The D10 series is a product made for a specific application and does not have the same functions as other DACs.
Choose a DAC other than the D10 series for the application you envision. That's the shortcut to making you happy.

I'm misunderstanding D10 series? So why other D10 series models have such a function?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...how-to-make-topping-d10-act-as-a-preamp.3687/

Here on linux, access from amixer:
http://moodeaudio.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1970

 

[JohnYang1997]

I'm misunderstanding D10 series? So why other D10 series models have such a function?
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...how-to-make-topping-d10-act-as-a-preamp.3687/

Here on linux, access from amixer:
http://moodeaudio.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1970

That thread's information is false.

And you can control volume on OS not on the DAC.

 

[miofu]

That thread's information is false.

And you can control volume on OS not on the DAC.

ok, i understand. Thx for confirmation

 

[miofu]

That thread's information is false.

And you can control volume on OS not on the DAC.

I've read whole topic on http://moodeaudio.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1970&page=2
So those guys are thinking that are using hardware, but thay not?
Alsa with hwplug option does not provide any software volume.

 

[JohnYang1997]

I've read whole topic on http://moodeaudio.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=1970&page=2
So those guys are thinking that are using hardware, but thay not?
Alsa with hwplug option does not provide any software volume.

There are three scenarios:
1, The player has functionality to change volume via digital processing on computer.

2, The OS/driver talks to XMOS to change volume in XMOS chip which is USB bridge.

3, The DAC itself has volume control which changes registers in the DAC chip.

First two are possible with D10/D10s/D10 balanced.

The result at the DAC analogue output can be identical if either process itself is done cleanly.

In fact, when doing measurements all attenuation is done in the AP software via ASIO. There's no measurable degradation comparing to change volume on DAC itself. At least for all PCM sources.

 

[jawbfl]

They look really good! For a moment I thought they were the ones shipped with the D10B and was mistakenly impressed

Me too at first, but that cable looks as flexible as a Mogami so it won't be cheap.

 

[jawbfl]

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You even scaled the 3.5 to look like a 2.5, good job sir.

 

[tmo]

You even scaled the 3.5 to look like a 2.5, good job sir.

lol! i knew something was up.

my question still stands though.

 

[HDavidson]

Les informations de ce thread sont fausses. [/CITATION]
Guilty of a crime

Vous avez même mis à l’échelle le 3.5 pour ressembler à un 2.5, bon travail monsieur.

Assumed 4.4 mm pentaconn.

 

[deprogrammed]

I miss the coax in. So will many others.

One reason I bought the D10 is the coax out. Used it to connect my PC to a receiver.

 

[jawbfl]

lol! i knew something was up.

my question still stands though.

Good concept but I doubt Topping would make it, D10, D10s never had a companion amp.

 

[hyperknot]

There are three scenarios:
1, The player has functionality to change volume via digital processing on computer.
2, The OS/driver talks to XMOS to change volume in XMOS chip which is USB bridge.

How does the XMOS chip change volume? Just adjusting the digital signal before the DAC?
Would an audio player have higher quality volume control compared to the XMOS chip?