Time to vote. Where should Amir spend his testing resources?

[Astoneroad]

Im sure Amir can afford to set up his own space station testing lab. But the cost of members shipping things up to him will be a real b***h.

Yeah... but to see Amir in a spacesuit and helmet eating a banana on his YT vids... worth the price of ignition.

 

[JeremyFife]

Speakers please.

and electronics with DSP/Room Correction

and if the amplifier tests could be extended to indicate continuous power capability and the effectiveness of the thermal management that would be nice too

Ooooh ... Cake!!

 

[Astoneroad]

Speakers please. Ooooh ... Cake!!

Your lack of filters is fun to watch.

 

[MattHooper]

Speakers.

Amplifiers are largely a solved problem.

 

[pma]

Strange poll, indeed. Instead of asking for proper test methods (yes/no) it asks to vote between apples and oranges.

 

[kyuu]

Strange poll, indeed. Instead of asking for proper test methods (yes/no) it asks to vote between apples and oranges.

No? There's only one Amir and only so much time. So it really is a question of if Amir spends more time reviewing amps (by adding additional testing that may or may not be useful) or spends less time on the amps so there's more time for other products. I guess maybe it should be "amps" or "other stuff", since he can only measure speakers instead if he actually has them.

Perhaps we want to start a fund to clone Amir? We'll probably have to wait a couple of decades before the clone becomes productive. And because of that whole "free will" problem we may want to try a dozen or so clones to make sure we end up with one who actually sticks around to help with the testing. And then we'll need several nannies to raise them so Amir doesn't lose all his free time to that...

 

[Astoneroad]

Strange poll, indeed. Instead of asking for proper test methods (yes/no) it asks to vote between apples and oranges.

This poll isn't about test methods, you're free to run your own poll on that topic. This poll is how the membership thinks @amirm should spend his limited resources to serve the individual member's self interest. It's not about your testing advocacy, go for it, I admire you and John. It reminds of the relic of Galileo's skeletal middle finger in a Florence museum... somehow. Galileo's Salute

I'm interested in how the membership responds to this very small part of your very big thread:

@amirm said: The bigger issue is the time constraint on me. I am currently not able to keep up with testing workload. I am constantly way behind in getting products tested. Do you want to see more speakers tested or have some semi-accurate thermal testing of amplifiers?

Apples and Oranges? Probably, but not in the way that you intended.

 

[mhardy6647]

Apparently, Amir doesn't think so. https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...nts-on-output-power-claims.58972/post-2160798

So much for blinding

 

[Sokel]

Since @Sokel used that weight in post #11... and from following his posts for a long time... I suspect that he is one such esoteric audiophile and was asking from self interest? You should quote him... not me... I think Amir's Mark Levinson's are 150 lbs each, or thereabouts?

The truth is in the middle.
Before my existing setup,in a different place the amp I had was about 40kg,this one.

Silent but not a SINAD champion by all means but as I am at the headroom camp I choose accordingly (rated 500W@4 Ohm and 2200W@2 Ohm mono) .
Lets say it's what I would do then if I had the time to diy it,as many has in diyaudio (some better and nicer than that!)

 

[Anton S]

The truth is in the middle.
Before my existing setup,in a different place the amp I had was about 40kg,this one.

...

Wow! First time I've ever seen a "Sensibility" rating for an amp (product tech specs).

 

[Sokel]

Wow! First time I've ever seen a "Sensibility" rating for an amp (product tech specs).

(had to turn it to English to see)

I'll be laughing forever with the auto translation

(It's correct in Italiano)

 

[thewas]

Strange poll, indeed. Instead of asking for proper test methods (yes/no) it asks to vote between apples and oranges.

I agree, as if a long term power amp testing would significantly reduce loudspeaker measurements which can even done in parallel.

If I had to choice one though I would say amps as EAC anyway mainly tests loudspeakers in an also high measurement and review quality.

 

[Astoneroad]

I agree, as if a long term power amp testing would significantly reduce loudspeaker measurements which can even done in parallel.
If I had to choice one though I would say amps as EAC anyway mainly tests loudspeakers in an also high measurement and review quality.

What point am I missing, that Amir is lying when he says that he can't do both (and have a life outside of his lab)? That can't be right... maximum efficiency at the cost of extremely limited human resources? I'm sincere when I say that I miss the point, sorry, enlighten me please on how he should or shouldn't balance quality of life issues, while serving this community? (No need to repeat arguments stated on the FTC thread).

This poll is a direct result of this post by @amirm : https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...nts-on-output-power-claims.58972/post-2160790
@amirm said: "The bigger issue is the time constraint on me. I am currently not able to keep up with testing workload. I am constantly way behind in getting products tested. Do you want to see more speakers tested or have some semi-accurate thermal testing of amplifiers?"

This is a poll of how (extremely limited) human resources should be allocated and prioritized, rather than testing methodology. What point is it that you agree with @pma , exactly?

The poll asks, "Do you want more stringent amp testing or more speakers tested?", almost verbatim to the question that he asked.

What is strange or otherwise "improper" or apples to oranges in that?

 

[thewas]

What point am I missing, that Amir is lying when he says that he can't do both (and have a life outside of his lab)? That can't be right... maximum efficiency at the cost of extremely limited human resources? I'm sincere when I say that I miss the point, sorry, enlighten me please on how he should or shouldn't balance quality of life issues, while serving this community? (No need to repeat arguments stated on the FTC thread).

This poll is a direct result of this post by @amirm : https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...nts-on-output-power-claims.58972/post-2160790
@amirm said: "The bigger issue is the time constraint on me. I am currently not able to keep up with testing workload. I am constantly way behind in getting products tested. Do you want to see more speakers tested or have some semi-accurate thermal testing of amplifiers?"

This is a poll of how (extremely limited) human resources should be allocated and prioritized, rather than testing methodology. What point is it that you agree with @pma , exactly?

The poll asks, "Do you want more stringent amp testing or more speakers tested?", almost verbatim to the question that he asked.

What is strange or otherwise "improper" or apples to oranges in that?

Like you quote (this quote in the initial post would have made it clearer from the beginning) it is his dilemma which seems like an apple to oranges for some of us. In the end it is his hobby and fame nobody forces him to or anyone do anything. Now about the time spend, personally would recommend testing less DAC and similar product categories where significant objective and audible problems are long solved and concentrate on categories like loudspeakers, headphones, power and integrated amps where such seemingly still exist.

 

[Astoneroad]

... concentrate on categories like loudspeakers, headphones, power and integrated amps where such seemingly still exist.

Great, this poll lets you vote your choice and comment on it. The choices were limited to the original 2 that Amir asked, again, the point of this poll. Your response seems more of a retraction and/or deflection to the "strange" and "improper" claims to which you agreed with @pma. Or am I still being dense as to how this poll is either?

You're presuming that @pma's use of apples and oranges, regarding Amir's resource allocation, and yours are the same? I don't. My read is that his scientific methodology is apples and the poll's human resources question, is an orange, fanciful if not myopic. You may be right, but still presumptuous without his clarification.

 

[thewas]

Great, this poll lets you vote your choice and comment on it. The choices were limited to the original 2 that Amir asked, again, the point of this poll. Your response seems more of a retraction and/or deflection to the "strange" and "improper" claims to which you agreed with @pma. Or am I still being dense as to how this poll is either?

You're presuming that @pma's use of apples and oranges, regarding Amir's resource allocation, and yours are the same? I don't. My read is that his scientific methodology is apples and the poll's human resources question, is an orange, fanciful if not myopic. You may be right, but still presumptuous without his clarification.

Such is your above post.
In the end it doesn't even really matter though which interpretation of PMAs post is the correct one as the question which Amir asked and you made a poll of without clarifying so in the first post as it would have been sensible is still rather an argumentative/rhetoric one which is posed so to lead to a specific answer. If it was formulated for example "more stringent amp testing with a review taking instead of the average X days interval between two reviews by him one day more" the answer would probably look very different.

 

[kemmler3D]

I don't want to see zero amp tests ever again, but speaker tests are more interesting to me. Personally it's all academic at this point (no speaker or amp shopping in my immediate future) but I feel like the progress over time in the world of speakers is more interesting. Would hate to miss an Ascilab A6B review in favor of an amp, for example.

 

[Timcognito]

Tests whatever he wants. It is his site and he does testing for free. There are already a number of posts on requests what he should test. Just post there. This is redundant. Would expect this thread from a newbie. Hoping those with things they want tested should purchase, contact and ship both ways to ASR. Please Donate before making such requests for how Amir spends his time.

 

[Astoneroad]

If it was formulated for example "more stringent amp testing with a review taking instead of the average X days interval between two reviews by him one day more" the answer would probably look very different.

No doubt, but that's not the question that Amir asked, which again is almost verbatim with the poll's options. In that regard, you and @pma agree that the question should be different. Convince @amirm that his question should conform to the way that you and @pma want it phrased, and I'll edit the poll. I'm a little incredulous of that entire dynamic. Anyways... the methodology to convince him and the membership seems to be hitting head winds, from posts in the FTC thread and the trend of the small sample here.

 

[Astoneroad]

Tests whatever he wants. It is his site and he does testing for free. There are already a number of posts on requests what he should test. Just post there. This is redundant. Would expect this thread from a newbie. Hoping those with things they want tested should purchase, contact and ship both ways to ASR. Please Donate before making such requests for how Amir spends his time.

This post and response from the FTC thread is all this poll is about. Anything else that is implied or inferred outside of that simple question, is not the point. I just amplified his question without DSP. So, in the spirit of comity, I agree with everything that you stated... even the newbie term if intended for me... lol.