Rephrased, this could argue that McDonalds obviously makes delicious burgers.Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the Vandersteen Model 2 has sold more pairs than any other audiophile speaker in history.
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People wouldn't still be buying a 40 year old design if there was nothing special about it.
Vandersteen buyers rightfully felt that the price they were paying went to the performance rather than the looks. Cabinetry can be a big cost driver for any floor-standing speakers.To wit - ick.
In even more unflattering detail…
Not that it matters at this point, because this thread turned into a total mess, but Erin was testing original 2C’s, one of the first iterations, without the stands and with very likely dry rotted foam surrounds. I know he said they weren’t, but he didn’t remove the socks to check, and didn’t say that they’d been refoamed. The later iterations all improved on the original. 2CI, then 2CE and finally 2CE Signature.To wit - ick.
In even more unflattering detail…
McDonald’s absolutely DOES make delicious burgers. It helps if you’ve had too much to drink, but that’s neither here nor there.Rephrased, this could argue that McDonalds obviously makes delicious burgers.
Not that it matters at this point, because this thread turned into a total mess, but Erin was testing original 2C’s, one of the first iterations, without the stands and with very likely dry rotted foam surrounds. I know he said they weren’t, but he didn’t remove the socks to check, and didn’t say that they’d been refoamed. The later iterations all improved on the original. 2CI, then 2CE and finally 2CE Signature.
Needless to say, I enjoy mine very much, they sound great when set up properly, and I’ve had plenty of other good speakers to compare to.
Post your setup. By your rationale everyone should trade in whatever they currently have for a pair of Elac DBR-62’s, a decent sub and a MiniDSP SHD. But they don’t, and won’t.I understand Erin measured a previous version. I was trying to point out that a sensible engineering story does not necessarily translate to a well engineered result.
It’s the former that you appear to have bought into. Without measurements, how would you know?
You enjoy yours? Great!
But have no illusion they’re other than middling.
By your rationale everyone should trade in whatever they currently have for a pair of Elac DBR-62’s, a decent sub and a MiniDSP SHD. But they don’t, and won’t.
Another poster with a theoretical setup only?That’s your own conclusion to jump to. Enjoy you speakers, your delusions, and your inferiority complex.
McDonalds makes some of the worst garbage that can be scrapped off the floor - unless you're extremely hung over or drunk like hell - in which case you are in no state to judge anything anyway But they have a great business model, and we have tons of ridiculously stupid people on this earth, so cash in the money - until the hospital bills has to be paid... or live in a country with free health care - and just live a ****** fat life, with early cases of heart diseases and worn down joint, because of constant overload. Super fun - do it do it - weeeMcDonald’s absolutely DOES make delicious burgers. It helps if you’ve had too much to drink, but that’s neither here nor there.
Please stop encouraging children to continue their MickeyD's habits.McDonalds makes some of the worst garbage that can be scrapped off the floor
I think you’re taking this a little far man. I have a three year old myself, he’s had McDonald’s chicken nuggets 2-3 times in his life on road trips. It’s possible to enjoy something without becoming addicted to it.Please stop encouraging children to continue their MickeyD's habits.
2-year-old orders 31 cheeseburgers on DoorDash after taking mom’s phone
Texas mom Kelsey Burkhalter Golden's toddler sneakily took her phone and ordered 31 cheeseburgers from McDonald’s.
The total bill for the extra lunchtime sandwiches was $91.70 and included a $16 tip for the DoorDash driver who had to make the trek to her house.
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Sorry... but that happens all the time - sadly. They copy-cat their parents, and the parents forget that they have poor habits - but mostly realized it, when their kids adopt them, and play it out at full power in front of them - like a mirror with all the worst you could imaginePlease stop encouraging children to continue their MickeyD's habits.
2-year-old orders 31 cheeseburgers on DoorDash after taking mom’s phone
Texas mom Kelsey Burkhalter Golden's toddler sneakily took her phone and ordered 31 cheeseburgers from McDonald’s.
Too bad your tech friend hung out with the wrong crowd ... here in the states you can literally enjoy any type of food from around the world at a local neighborhood restaurant in just about any city.Sorry... but that happens all the time - sadly. They copy-cat their parents, and the parents forget that they have poor habits - but mostly realized it, when their kids adopt them, and play it out at full power in front of them - like a mirror with all the worst you could imagine
I once tried to help a single mom with her kid's phone, that bought 1000$ worth of some princess power ups in a game on her Iphone. Sadly she simply followed Apples "advice", pushing towards doing everything that it says on the screen - including putting in your credit card number. They settle a bit... but in the end she had to pay some of it.
The development of advertisement, runs extremely fast.... and many people seem to forget. Just look at speaker cables and the ridiculous claims done there
I merely reacted to the term "delicious" and McDonalds - in the same sentence - like really?? Is that even close to the best food you've ever had??
Since the few times I tried to eat or drink anything from that place - I regretted it until I simply tried to deny its existence all together. But they know..... one of my friends has a Tesla with unlimited quick charge, but the quick charge places are only in the middle of nowhere.... with either McD, Burger King or Sunset Boulevard around the corner. It's a business model, and it works.
We had a technician from Greece who had just been to the US. He told me that he needed a restaurant to eat dinner, and they pointed towards a McD. But it was at some industrial area, with nothing else around. When he then came here to Denmark and I was responsible to point him to some place for dinner, after he finished his job. He clearly stated that he hoped that our definition of a restaurant, was not a fast food place. I calmed him down and found somewhere with food, that actually had a minimum of nutritional value on its menu, and he was happy.
Some fast food can be ok. But please don't eat that much of it, that it becomes a reference for such a nice word as delicious.
I agree with the word balance... that's much better put.
Not to mention his [Geddes'] sub design uses only a first order low pass...
Yup... he was a Greek tech, who told me that he had to move from Greece to Germany to find a serious job. I don't even have to make this stuff up myself.... people bring it to meToo bad your tech friend hung out with the wrong crowd ... here in the states you can literally enjoy any type of food from around the world at a local neighborhood restaurant in just about any city.
My mom moved to LA in the 60's and had my half-brother, which I love just like my "full" sister. And the stories are pretty straight up, fitting with what you see and hear in the media. I guess history is repeating and that most cultures have their things sticking pretty well, for quite some time, making up our identity, if you will. Look at us Danes.... we are still vikings, like Americans are cowboys. Guess tv and movies did their trickSorry Denmark,
Your European perspective of America's culinary offerings sound to be jaundiced.
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