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Timbral Quality of DAC Output Signals

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kemmler3D said:
As an aside, I've been talking about music and audio on the internet for nearly 30 years now, I also took a minor in music technology, and I also worked for an audio company where I had to listen to a wide variety of people share opinions on audio. And this is the first time I've seen a change in pitch referred to as "dynamics". So, credit where it's due, sir.

Bonus points for not explaining what about these changes in a signal make them "micro".
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I never equated pitch as dynamics... I look at it from the point of view that timbre is the product of a confluence of pitches of varying amplitudes and phase in the psychoacoustic interpretation... How that confluence produces sound-waves is dynamic.... If a DAC produces a perfect interpolation of the encoded relationships relative to timbre, then case closed...
 
Audicron said:
I never equated pitch as dynamics... I look at it from the point of view that timbre is the product of a confluence of pitches of varying amplitudes and phase in the psychoacoustic interpretation... How that confluence produces sound-waves is dynamic.... If a DAC produces a perfect interpolation of the encoded relationships relative to timbre, then case closed...
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You explicitly did in post #42.
In this strange performance of Socratic trolling, at least don't pull our legs.
You must have read TAS quite a bit. Spectral liquidity, dynamic timbrality. The rando word-sandwich is very familiar.
 
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Audicron said:
I never equated pitch as dynamics... I look at it from the point of view that timbre is the product of a confluence of pitches of varying amplitudes and phase in the psychoacoustic interpretation... How that confluence produces sound-waves is dynamic.... If a DAC produces a perfect interpolation of the encoded relationships relative to timbre, then case closed...
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Timbre is independent of pitch, please put down the thesaurus and pick up a dictionary. You're confusing yourself more than anyone here.
 
Audicron said:
Nothing is resonating in a DAC topology?
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The X'tals are oscillating.
A reconstruction filter 'rings' above the audible range (so inaudible) and is lower in amplitude than the high frequencies that 'trigger' that 'ringing' and such high frequencies thus do not have an influence on 'timbre'.

about timbre...
www.audiosciencereview.com

What is timbre and can we measure it?

My understanding is timbre is describing the differences in sound of different instruments playing the same note. My understanding is also that this site effectively evaluates musical equipment by passing a set frequency (a note) and evaluating how faithfully the equipment reproduced that...
www.audiosciencereview.com www.audiosciencereview.com

The spectrum of each instrument (most likely altered in the studio) is in the recording.

To reproduce accurately there must NOT be any changes in the spectrum nor phase and no distortion should be added.
The DAC MUST add no timbral changes which the vast majority doesn't.
There are some DACs that roll-off the high frequencies (on purpose or by selecting poor filters) or add heaps of distortion (tube output stages).
This is highly measurable and even far beyond any audible thresholds.

When you are of the opinion that amplitude over time (and phase) and distortion in the audible range are not sufficient then tell us WHAT you think is not quantified and matters.
 
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Don't feed the troll. Don't answer the sealion
 
The only time timbral verisimilitude comes into play is with Art Dudley’s Ken Shindo system which can defy the laws of physics and is therefore subjectively and objectively better than any hifi ever made.
 
Audicron said:
I never equated pitch as dynamics... I look at it from the point of view that timbre is the product of a confluence of pitches of varying amplitudes and phase in the psychoacoustic interpretation... How that confluence produces sound-waves is dynamic.... If a DAC produces a perfect interpolation of the encoded relationships relative to timbre, then case closed...
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You keep talking about timbres, but what you are saying strongly suggests that you do not actually know what a timbre is.
Please take some time to familiarize yourself with timbre, overtones, and formants. Once you have grasped these concepts, you will understand why such alterations simply cannot occur in a properly designed DAC.
If a DAC alters the timbre, it is defective and can no longer fulfill its intended purpose.

Analog and digital music data consist of absolutely precise information and leave no room for interpretation.
Therefore, if two DACs were to deliver different data or results at their outputs—or even produce audibly different sounds—something would be fundamentally wrong with at least one of the devices, and it could only be considered defective.
 
Maybe it is a good idea to kindly ask @Audicron things (sealioning back) ?

Such as ...
what do you mean with 'timbral quality' ?
Why would a DAC have a timbral quality ?
What would be the mechanism for a DAC changing the timbral quality IF a DAC had this in the first place ?
 
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