Tidal vs Roon decision

[leonasj500]

hello, im was user of shanling dap and tidal for 2years. now got astell kern dap. read many buying ak daps for roon ready .what is roon ready,im see roon arc has option my ak dap. does its better sound quality and how start use ak dap with roon. ? i have 2week for return AK dap to amazon if not like it. does how start use roon and what is it roon,roon,ready,roon arc....?

 

[Roland68]

hello, im was user of shanling dap and tidal for 2years. now got astell kern dap. read many buying ak daps for roon ready .what is roon ready,im see roon arc has option my ak dap. does its better sound quality and how start use ak dap with roon. ? i have 2week for return AK dap to amazon if not like it. does how start use roon and what is it roon,roon,ready,roon arc....?

Simply put, Roon and Tidal have nothing to do with each other.
Tidal is a streaming service that delivers music to you.
Roon is a management system for managing your own music, digital media, or music made available via streaming, keyword music server/server software.
Roon does not contain any music.

 

[leonasj500]

Simply put, Roon and Tidal have nothing to do with each other.
Tidal is a streaming service that delivers music to you.
Roon is a management system for managing your own music, digital media, or music made available via streaming, keyword music server/server software.
Roon does not contain any music.

thanks. so,roon its like editing tool for your tidal or own music on dap? does any from streaming platforms has better quality audible streaming service/ qobuz,amazon music vs tidal? tidal is flac only most music. does of them has dsd streaming or high 32bit music/?

 

[Soniclife]

Simply put, Roon and Tidal have nothing to do with each other.

Roon and tidal work together, roon integrates tidal music with your own local music, and plays then back through any roon endpoint, with roon DSP if wanted.

 

[leonasj500]

Roon and tidal work together, roon integrates tidal music with your own local music, and plays then back through any roon endpoint, with roon DSP if wanted.

whats is DSP? it changes tidal music to high level?

 

[Roland68]

hello, im was user of shanling dap and tidal for 2years. now got astell kern dap. read many buying ak daps for roon ready .what is roon ready,im see roon arc has option my ak dap. does its better sound quality and how start use ak dap with roon. ? i have 2week for return AK dap to amazon if not like it. does how start use roon and what is it roon,roon,ready,roon arc....?

Perhaps as an addendum, Roon Ready is of no use to you if you use the DAP on the go.
Roon Ready is only about integrating the DAP into a Roon server at home. In reality, you'll rarely do that. The only sensible exception for me would be using the DAP as a mobile receiver for the Roon server, i.e., as a Roon endpoint.

A little tip for DAPs: don't spend too much money. Above €200-300, you don't get any sound improvement, at most reputation, haptics, and sometimes even more output power. I've listened to quite a few DAPs in my life, ranging from devices under €100 to devices like Kann and even ones over €6,000.
The Pioneer XDP-30R / Onkyo DP-S1, which are unfortunately no longer manufactured, were already very well-adapted in terms of sound; only the SE performance could have been a bit higher.
A while ago, I bought my personal dream DAP, a Fiio M15 with the old AK4499EQ (Dual, of course), used for around €600 with some accessories, saving 60% off the new price. It doesn't sound particularly better than other or cheaper devices, but in terms of display, feel, and output power, it's like comparing a VW Golf to a Maybach.
Especially with DAPs, it makes sense to look around the used market.

 

[leonasj500]

Perhaps as an addendum, Roon Ready is of no use to you if you use the DAP on the go.
Roon Ready is only about integrating the DAP into a Roon server at home. In reality, you'll rarely do that. The only sensible exception for me would be using the DAP as a mobile receiver for the Roon server, i.e., as a Roon endpoint.

A little tip for DAPs: don't spend too much money. Above €200-300, you don't get any sound improvement, at most reputation, haptics, and sometimes even more output power. I've listened to quite a few DAPs in my life, ranging from devices under €100 to devices like Kann and even ones over €6,000.
The Pioneer XDP-30R / Onkyo DP-S1, which are unfortunately no longer manufactured, were already very well-adapted in terms of sound; only the SE performance could have been a bit higher.
A while ago, I bought my personal dream DAP, a Fiio M15 with the old AK4499EQ (Dual, of course), used for around €600 with some accessories, saving 60% off the new price. It doesn't sound particularly better than other or cheaper devices, but in terms of display, feel, and output power, it's like comparing a VW Golf to a Maybach.
Especially with DAPs, it makes sense to look around the used market.

thanks.i have shanling m7 and it is some top sound for me too,as you like M15. size,weight,power,screen, all perfect on m7 and got it for 600eur too . after it was realesed on 2023. but now got new ak sp3000m for 1800eur from amazon. its small .light,top sounds.not ,i dont hear difference,but soundstage a bit bigger on sp3000m,very pocketable. just have 2week return it or keep with my shanling m7 as i like broosing M7 when listen music on bed . sp3000m close android. but power maybe more vs m7. if i can a few seconds listen M7 at max volume, too loud me. but can listen max volume on sp3000m. only 100/150 max can listen a few seconds. maybe more bass at shanling. but i listen sp3000 m has a bit vocal forward. maybe both daps sell and get one ibasso dx260mkii? light,small too. but think lower power vs m7 or sp3000m?

 

[Arindal]

so,roon its like editing tool for your tidal or own music on dap?

I would see it rather as a complex browsing tool for a virtual or digital music library management. Imagine a sophisticated iTunes version with built-in Wikipedia and musicological catalogue plus research tool which can also send music to different devices (whether they are Roon Ready or Roon Tested).

Combining roon with a streaming service makes a lot of sense. I personally prefer Qobuz over Tidal for the reason of better metadata quality and consistency.

 

[Roland68]

whats is DSP? it changes tidal music to high level?

A DSP is nothing more than a good equalizer, only digital.
With the DSP, you can adjust the frequency response of your headphones or speakers.
It has nothing directly to do with Roon, and certainly not with Tidal, but it is included as a feature in Roon.

DSPs are available as standalone devices, but this function is also present in many devices, such as streamers, DACs, DACs with headphone amplifiers, active speakers, DAPs, etc.
And, of course, there are countless DSP software solutions for all common operating systems.

 

[Soniclife]

Perhaps as an addendum, Roon Ready is of no use to you if you use the DAP on the go.

Roon ARC is for on the go, I don't use it, or know if any DAPs support it, but phones support it, and I don't see the point of DAPs these days with the functionality they offer.

 

[Roland68]

Roon ARC is for on the go, I don't use it, or know if any DAPs support it, but phones support it, and I don't see the point of DAPs these days with the functionality they offer.

With all this information and details, you're confusing someone who has no idea about Roon and doesn't even begin to know what Roon is. Nobody is born with a basic understanding of Roon.

I didn't mention ARC because it's very unimportant for DAPs, as it requires a Wi-Fi or cellular connection. A phone definitely makes more sense for that.

However, you mustn't forget that your application or preferences apply only to you and not to others.
For example, I often don't have a cell phone with me, or I deliberately turn it off or use it in airplane mode. Also, my job often takes me to areas where there's neither Wi-Fi nor cellular coverage.
And that's precisely why I prefer standalone DAPs with my own music stored on them.

 

[Soniclife]

With all this information and details, you're confusing someone who has no idea about Roon and doesn't even begin to know what Roon is. Nobody is born with a basic understanding of Roon.

I'm just providing facts, it's for others to decide what products are best for them.

Roon ARC has an offline mode, same as the tidal app does. I choose to use the tidal app outside the house, it fits my needs.

 

[leonasj500]

I'm just providing facts, it's for others to decide what products are best for them.

Roon ARC has an offline mode, same as the tidal app does. I choose to use the tidal app outside the house, it fits my needs.

does i can use roon ,roon arc for my audio files from sdxc card? or only from tidal ? roon arc is eq only? so i can use dap eq for same work?

 

[Soniclife]

does i can use roon ,roon arc for my audio files from sdxc card? or only from tidal ? roon arc is eq only? so i can use dap eq for same work?

Anything involving roon requires the roon core to access the music, either your files or one of it's supported streaming services, and this core needs to be online. If you are interested in roon you should read up on how it works and what is required, then try a trial version to see if it is for you.

 

[leonasj500]

Anything involving roon requires the roon core to access the music, either your files or one of it's supported streaming services, and this core needs to be online. If you are interested in roon you should read up on how it works and what is required, then try a trial version to see if it is for you.

can i use roon on open android? shanling m7 have dap

 

[Soniclife]

can i use roon on open android? shanling m7 have dap

I assume yes as an end point or Arc, but you need something else running the server.

https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/architecture