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Tice Power Conductor 2 Vintage AC Cable Review

Rate this AC cable:

  • 1. Waste of money (piggy bank panther)

    Votes: 193 95.5%
  • 2. Not terrible (postman panther)

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • 3. Fine (happy panther)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4. Great (golfing panther)

    Votes: 7 3.5%

  • Total voters
    202
Cannot believe the sloppiness of Amir's testing here. No where does he test the TPT or Tice Pulse Treatment. It changed electron flow. We don't know if it is permanent or not. Probably was not, and probably why Tice is no longer. So sure, now it seems like it does nothing. What about when it was new and one switch engaged a wire with TPT to smooth electron flow in one direction and another smoothed things in the other direction. Could have made great differences when it was freshly TPT treated. Tice always warned people not to place the key part near magnetic fields like on top of or near big power amps with big power supplies. Devil is in the details. Don't let an overly simple test like this ruin your enjoyment of music enhanced by a device like this. This device probably has lesser effects due to age and the treatment being worn away by exposure to magnetic fields. Maybe I should do a patent search on the device used in TPT treatment. It would have expired now, and everyone could make or improve upon that idea. You got to BELIEVE......the TRUTH is OUT THERE!
 
They say in instructions 'when the AC line is clean'... so Amir did not fulfill that for sure. Test is tainted.
 
Cannot believe the sloppiness of Amir's testing here. No where does he test the TPT or Tice Pulse Treatment. It changed electron flow. We don't know if it is permanent or not. Probably was not, and probably why Tice is no longer. So sure, now it seems like it does nothing. What about when it was new and one switch engaged a wire with TPT to smooth electron flow in one direction and another smoothed things in the other direction. Could have made great differences when it was freshly TPT treated. Tice always warned people not to place the key part near magnetic fields like on top of or near big power amps with big power supplies. Devil is in the details. Don't let an overly simple test like this ruin your enjoyment of music enhanced by a device like this. This device probably has lesser effects due to age and the treatment being worn away by exposure to magnetic fields. Maybe I should do a patent search on the device used in TPT treatment. It would have expired now, and everyone could make or improve upon that idea. You got to BELIEVE......the TRUTH is OUT THERE!
Oh....sorry I forgot this part..............

/sarc off
 
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so anyone who is looking for them might be led here by Google, realize it is a waste of money and stay away from it. hopefully.

also those cables are quick to review, Amir can probably test them with his eyes shut, and I can imagine he enjoys revealing snake oils.

I understand what are you saying but if one goes to any other "HIFI site" out there you will read thousands of "reviews" where people praise cables, interconnects and that crap. You will drown in quotes like "stunningly clear, controlled and detailed. Guitar strings are pulled taut, leading edges are wonderfully crisp and clean".
or "vocals are packed with nuance and emotion" or "pleasing and punchy sense of dynamism that’s a joy to listen to" and so on.
There is zero point in trying to debate with those mor... sorry "people". It's like trying to reason with flatearthers.
What mine 43 years on this planet taught me is, DO NOT engage in a debate with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat the sh*t out of you with their experience :)
 
Well, I've got news for you. The snake oil problems in audioland are not going to be solved by ASR.
It's far too entrenched. It's disappointing, but it is what it is.
Well it is certainly not going to be solved by ignoring it. Shining light into dark crevices eventually makes the nasty creatures there scurry away.
 
Cannot believe the sloppiness of Amir's testing here. No where does he test the TPT or Tice Pulse Treatment. It changed electron flow. We don't know if it is permanent or not. Probably was not, and probably why Tice is no longer. So sure, now it seems like it does nothing. What about when it was new and one switch engaged a wire with TPT to smooth electron flow in one direction and another smoothed things in the other direction. Could have made great differences when it was freshly TPT treated. Tice always warned people not to place the key part near magnetic fields like on top of or near big power amps with big power supplies. Devil is in the details. Don't let an overly simple test like this ruin your enjoyment of music enhanced by a device like this. This device probably has lesser effects due to age and the treatment being worn away by exposure to magnetic fields. Maybe I should do a patent search on the device used in TPT treatment. It would have expired now, and everyone could make or improve upon that idea. You got to BELIEVE......the TRUTH is OUT THERE!
It's all about the spin of the electron: if you plugin cable wrong, and left spinning electrons are stopped by right spinning polarity, this will go bad, esp. in AC ;)
 
As I said, it's not a problem that needs to be solved.....by ASR.

If not ASR (or hopefully future similar sites) then who?

Rather, continued shining of the light on well-engineered products will eventually result in the audio customers not even looking in the dark crevices.
We have 40+ years of experience to tell us that is not the case. The problem is that without someone telling "audio customers" that the manufacturers of these products, and the people shilling for them are lying - they have no way of knowing - and will continue to throw money at products that have no value. Really - absolutely zero value. How are they to know the difference between positive reviews of "well engineered products" and similarly positive reviews of snake oil.

It's a straightforward concept. I'm surprised more of you fellas don't grasp it.

See point 2. Not anywhere near as straightforward as you seem to think.
 
So Amirm has tested a lot cables and "conditioners" and we know that they do not work and are sold to "audiophiles" who usually have more money then brains.
My question is why does he continue to test them ? It is waste of time, effort and server space so what is the point ? Seems to me this is just a low hanging fruit in order to have something, anything really new to post on the first page.
There are multiple reasons why I test these devices. For now, that comment about low hanging fruit for the home page is out of line. I have plenty of stuff to test so there is no reason to think I need to post something there.

This device was tested because the company behind it has important historic factor. It was one of the early "this can't possibly work but folks say it does" that is so common now, but wasn't then.

Importantly, each one of these tweaks works different or at least has different claims. The box tested here has two switches claiming to change the response of the audio system. There has been no analysis of what the switches do or what the thing does. As such, I can't take the test of an Audioquest cable and say applies to this as well.

As noted, people research these products using search engines. If we don't review them, plenty of other "reviews" pop up enticing people to spend money on things that may do nothing for their system. The combined voices of all these other people (and companies) is extremely loud online. We can't be a whimper in the corner when we have critical important information to share.

The impact on the market is significant and growing. Two years ago if I did a test like this, it would just get dismissed out of hand. Today there is power behind it and folks take notice. There are many people who are not at the extremes of this and just thought these things must work because they keep hearing about them. But once they see my testing and learn the foundation of why they don't work, their opinion is not only changing but they become advocates online.

While I like to think we are making progress in all product types that I test, I really prize the progress we have made in shining a light on these tweaks. We are able to do that precisely because we don't dismiss them out of hand as was done for decades, but put data where our mouth is. The former approach didn't work. This one is.

There is also the personal factor. There is monotony for me in testing the hundredth DAC, amp, speaker, etc. So something like this where it presents a puzzle, is good to analyze. I certainly got an "aha moment" when I figured out what the switches were doing and how the thing was wired. I think many members get a kick out of it just the same, providing some relief from very hardcore reviews of other products.

Net, net, we are going to keep doing things like this. They will not be done everyday. These two Dice products were sent back in May I think! But when I get a chance, I will test them until the mission is fully accomplished.
 
As I said, it's not a problem that needs to be solved.....by ASR.
Rather, continued shining of the light on well-engineered products will eventually result in the audio customers not even looking in the dark crevices.
It's a straightforward concept. I'm surprised more of you fellas don't grasp it.
There is nothing to grasp. It’s just your opinion. Just like my opinion is that you can do both at the same time and make it even more effective in the end :)

We have no objective data proving either concept I’m afraid.
 
As I said, it's not a problem that needs to be solved.....by ASR.
Rather, continued shining of the light on well-engineered products will eventually result in the audio customers not even looking in the dark crevices.
It's a straightforward concept. I'm surprised more of you fellas don't grasp it.
It's an incoherent strategy. No wonder no one grasps it.
 
Yeah, except that's not why he's doing it.
Tice was completely discredited many years ago.
This kind of "review" is primarily a 'hook' to generate clicks and traffic to the ASR website.
And?

One of the goals of this site (as I see it) is debunking long held and deeply rooted beliefs in snake oil products. It’s a great service that’s being provided to this community after decades of people being literally scammed and taken advantage of.
 
Correction, 'you' don't grasp it.

I can understand Amir's POV on this though. I just feel these are just battles to a war that's already been lost. The high-end audio business is very weird and the ship is not going to be righted in a few years by a single guy with a website. Call me cynical and insult me if you like, but I'm just being realistic....from my point of view.
Uh huh. We should do nothing until the angel of audio intercedes, or something.
 
Voted not terrible, as it does no harm, with no price communicated. Should be same as mains cable in the box of every whatsoever...
 
The high-end audio business is very weird and the ship is not going to be righted in a few years by a single guy with a website.
The worry is not the high-end. The worry is that it has spread to the middle of the market now. So much so that folks are surprised sometimes that there is even a dispute that these things don't work! It is this group which we are influencing. Not the high-end (with some rare exceptions). This is a transformation that can be missed if all you remember is the old days.
 
I can understand Amir's POV on this though. I just feel these are just battles to a war that's already been lost.
Says who? We barely started… and so far nobody else was prepared to wage it in such a coordinated fashion.
 
ASR is a big, busy website. If the battle is lost that's news to me.
 
As I said, it's not a problem that needs to be solved.....by ASR.
Rather, continued shining of the light on well-engineered products will eventually result in the audio customers not even looking in the dark crevices.
It's a straightforward concept. I'm surprised more of you fellas don't grasp it.
The irony here is so palpable, I'm surprised you don't grasp it?
 
While I have no doubt that this power cord does nothing to the sound, to be accurate you would have to do some double blind listening tests with a panel of people to show that it doesn't create an audible difference.

While we all know that these measurements surely show this cable has no effect, the measurements alone do not prove there is no audible difference, strictly speaking. As always I advocate for statistics from blind listening tests to be able to prove to subjectivists that their tweaks ( cables, power conditioners, isolating blocks, etc ) actually have no audible effect, and that anything that listeners "hear" in sighted tests is pure placebo.

Such a blind test isn't really necessary with junk like this thing, but I would really like to see such listening tests performed with cables, power conditioners, ethernet switches, etc.
With all due respects, this is almost the excuse subjectivists use to respond to the measurements. "There are things that cannot be measured". The precision of audio instrument has been far exceeding listening threshold of human ears, even for the best ears of trained professionals.

Blind tests are hard to set up and to get right, and can be easily "cheated" if one of the participating parties want to. Measurements on other hands can be independently verified by other people with same equipment.
I understand what are you saying but if one goes to any other "HIFI site" out there you will read thousands of "reviews" where people praise cables, interconnects and that crap. You will drown in quotes like "stunningly clear, controlled and detailed. Guitar strings are pulled taut, leading edges are wonderfully crisp and clean".
or "vocals are packed with nuance and emotion" or "pleasing and punchy sense of dynamism that’s a joy to listen to" and so on.
There is zero point in trying to debate with those mor... sorry "people". It's like trying to reason with flatearthers.
What mine 43 years on this planet taught me is, DO NOT engage in a debate with idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat the sh*t out of you with their experience :)
There are a lot of bs out there. But that does not mean you should not have a "clean" place, or places. As i said, "might" and "hopefully". If one person can be convinced to not believe in the snake oil bs, then this review will have served its purposes
 
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