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thomann t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini Review

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amirm

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This is a review and detailed measurements of the thomann t.racks DSP four by four matrix DSP. It was kindly purchased new by a member and costs just US $99.
thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 review four channel audio.jpg

I really like the form factor here and inclusion of brackets for mounting in cars and such. Inclusion of balanced I/O is much appreciated:

thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 review 12 volt back panel four channel audio.jpg

Despite shipping to US, the 12 volt adapter has the round European plug so I had to use my lab AC generator to power it (it has a universal outlet). Fortunately it is a standard voltage so you can use your own or tap into the power in a car/boat.

I was annoyed that the software to control it only came on a mini CD. I had to power up an old PC to read it as I could not find any online sources for it. Once there, the interface is surprisingly rich and very responsive. Here is the starting page:

thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 control software audio.png


And the crossover/parametric EQ:

thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 control software Parametric EQ audio.png


thomann t.racks DSP Measurements
I only tested channels 1 and 2. Have no reason to think the other two act any different. Here is our dashboard:

thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement audio.png


At first I fed it 4 volt input which caused massive clipping. Above is about the highest level before clipping. Note that despite the interface showing no gain, we actually have some. Maybe there is a hidden gain setting some place I am not seeing. Here is a sweep showing performance relative to input level:
thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement THD vs input level audio.png


So be mindful of this.

Frequency sweep shows the classic cut off of internal sample rate of 44.1 or 48 kHz:
thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement Frequency Response audio.png


For grins, I turned on a couple of filters. FYI having the EQ in or bypass did not make any change to performance of the unit indicating that the pipeline is active at all times.

Dynamic range just matches that of 16 bit content:
thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement SNR audio.png


Crosstalk is more than good enough for the class:
thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement crosstalk audio.png


IMD distortion vs level shows that you should not high aspiration for fidelity and transparency:
thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement IMD audio.png


Ditto for wideband response versus frequency:

thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement THD vs frequency audio.png


Edit:
Pipeline latency is about 1 millisecond:
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Here is the performance with unbalanced input and output at 2 volts in:

thomann t.racks dsp 4x4 measurement unblanced audio.png


Not much penalty.

Conclusions
Given the nice build quality, four channels of processing, and extensive software control, my hope for performance was that it was not broken. t.racks clears that hurdle which is a relief. Getting all of this for $99 is a miracle. It is definitely job well done from start to finish.

I am happy to recommend the thomman t.racks 4x4 DSP Mini for everyday DSP applications.

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Thanks for the measurement Amir. Interesting, seems affordable.:)

The manual is available online, for those who are interested:

Ultra compact 4-Channel DSP
Inputs: 4 × 1/4 "phone socket (balanced)
Outputs: 4 × 1/4 "phone socket (balanced)
USB connection for control via PC using the supplied software
Comprehensive setting options for optimal sound:
- Parametric Equalizer
- Graphic Equalizer
- High- and low-pass filters
- Noise Gate
- Limiter
- Phase inversion


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Very few of these dedicated DSP boxes do much better than this. Even the expensive BSS Blu and DBX Driverack stuff isn't doing much better than 95-100dB. So for a hundred bucks, this thing's a no-brainer.
 

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Read about this on another forum. Where a subwoofer would be integrated with speakers (LP -HP filter sub-speakers plus EQ), where it is said:

MiniDSP 2x4 should probably only be used as an equalizer for bass because it tends to make a little too much noise for use in the high-pass part. In addition, the linearity for both ADC and DAC is not the best (which does not matter in bass area, where the hearing threshold is significantly higher). However, I found an alternative in the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini which seems to have slightly better performance and which is slightly cheaper as well, but this is not recommended for the high-pass part either....

....Equalizer: the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini (slightly higher performance than MiniDSP 2x4 and lower price as well, though a bit uglier interface in the software).

However, I have a good feeling about the analog active filter LD X-223 which has a sensible spec and which has good conditions not to interfere with the signal audible for the high-pass part.


 

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Nice to see an interface thats technical superior to most cheaper passive crossovers with ironcoils and for the price of only 99 dollars.
On a technical view, it might be better with digital inputs ( avoiding one A/D ) feeding the dsp crossover directly. Maybe in the next generation ?
Also measured here :
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Read about this on another forum. Where a subwoofer would be integrated with speakers (LP -HP filter sub-speakers plus EQ), where it is said:

MiniDSP 2x4 should probably only be used as an equalizer for bass because it tends to make a little too much noise for use in the high-pass part. In addition, the linearity for both ADC and DAC is not the best (which does not matter in bass area, where the hearing threshold is significantly higher). However, I found an alternative in the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini which seems to have slightly better performance and which is slightly cheaper as well, but this is not recommended for the high-pass part either....

....Equalizer: the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini (slightly higher performance than MiniDSP 2x4 and lower price as well, though a bit uglier interface in the software).

However, I have a good feeling about the analog active filter LD X-223 which has a sensible spec and which has good conditions not to interfere with the signal audible for the high-pass part.


Interesting. Always nice to see more competition in entry level DSP.
 

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Thomann is on the biggest (if not the biggest) European retailers that specialises in musical instruments, pro-audio and studio equipment. So I'm guessing this is an OEM product underneath or otherwise one that is built to spec. They also have their own amplifiers and other stuff.
 

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It seems they have a variant including 4x50W (into 8ohm) class D power amps: the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini Amp.

From their presentation:
  • Perfect for small installations and in combination with ceiling speakers
  • Inputs: 4x 6.3 mm jack balanced
  • Power: 4x 50 W @ 8 Ohm / 4x 60 W @ 4 Ohm (no bridge mode)
  • Loudspeaker connection: binding posts
  • Class D amps
  • Programming via USB
  • Signal to noise ratio: < 95 dB
  • Distortion factor: < 0,5%
  • Gain: 28 dB
  • Built-in power supply: 230 V~ / 50 Hz
  • Weight: 1.6 kg
  • Dimensions (W x D x H): 240 x 160 x 43 mm
 

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It seems they have a variant including 4x50W (into 8ohm) class D power amps: the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini Amp.

From their presentation:
  • Perfect for small installations and in combination with ceiling speakers
  • Inputs: 4x 6.3 mm jack balanced
  • Power: 4x 50 W @ 8 Ohm / 4x 60 W @ 4 Ohm (no bridge mode)
  • Loudspeaker connection: binding posts
  • Class D amps
  • Programming via USB
  • Signal to noise ratio: < 95 dB
  • Distortion factor: < 0,5%
  • Gain: 28 dB
  • Built-in power supply: 230 V~ / 50 Hz
  • Weight: 1.6 kg
  • Dimensions (W x D x H): 240 x 160 x 43 mm

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Just ordered de powered version, my first little class D. It contains the power source in the same box, a bit cleaner. A digital input would have been convenient though. No intention to compare it with my Minidsp Flex + Yamaha power amp but couldn't resist temptation for such a nice toy. I see they have some firmware revisions (1.04 being last one) plus 3 years warranty. Not bad at all for the money (175 euros including shipping and taxes).
 

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I was annoyed that the software to control it only came on a mini CD. I had to power up an old PC to read it as I could not find any online sources for it.
Their support system seems to be pretty robust so I was surmise that if someone did not have a computer drive to read the disk they would have an alternative way to email the software or provide a link for the download.

A $25 USB drive is another alternative that’s good to have around if it’s ever needed.
 
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Their support system seems to be pretty robust so I was surmise that if someone did not have a computer drive to read the disk they would have an alternative way to email the software or provide a link for the download.
On Mini 4x4 page there is only firmware and manual to download, they forgot to link the control software (editor).

You can however download the last version (1.05) for the control software from the Mini 4x4 AMP version:

Or directly here:
 

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On Mini 4x4 page there is only firmware and manual to download, they forgot to link the control software (editor).

You can however download the last version (1.05) for the control software from the Mini 4x4 AMP version:

Or directly here:
That’s cool. Possibly the same software.
 

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This looks actually pretty great. Am I correct in the assumption that I could create with the REW auto Equaliser and Programm them manual into T.racks dsp and than add one or two subwoofers and eq them seperatly?
 

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This looks actually pretty great. Am I correct in the assumption that I could create with the REW auto Equaliser and Programm them manual into T.racks dsp and than add one or two subwoofers and eq them seperatly?
You seem to be correct. If I am not mistaking you can also program delays individually on every output so you can time align the subwoofers.
 

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Once the parameters loaded, it does not need to stay connected to the PC, right ?
Is it going to enable proper sub integration this way ? : PC->Topping D10 Balanced ->t.racks DSP -> Kali In-5 / SVS SB 1000 Pro (no TRS though)
 

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It seems they have a variant including 4x50W (into 8ohm) class D power amps: the t.racks DSP 4x4 Mini Amp.

From their presentation:
  • Perfect for small installations and in combination with ceiling speakers
  • Inputs: 4x 6.3 mm jack balanced
  • Power: 4x 50 W @ 8 Ohm / 4x 60 W @ 4 Ohm (no bridge mode)
  • Loudspeaker connection: binding posts
  • Class D amps
  • Programming via USB
  • Signal to noise ratio: < 95 dB
  • Distortion factor: < 0,5%
  • Gain: 28 dB
  • Built-in power supply: 230 V~ / 50 Hz
  • Weight: 1.6 kg
  • Dimensions (W x D x H): 240 x 160 x 43 mm
Sorry to say, this amplified unit sems to pass all volume fullrange to the loudspeakers the first second its turned on, potentialy destroying the tweeter in an active setup. At least according to one user at Thomann. This might be wrong information but better safe than sorry. It can also be a software problem thats already been solved.

Otherwise it would had been really neat. You can build a two way dsp crossover with all the needed amps for one pair of loudspeakers.

 
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You seem to be correct. If I am not mistaking you can also program delays individually on every output so you can time align the subwoofers.
From the link I referred to in my previous post in this thread. See pages 25-26 (many pictures so you do not need to know Swedish to understand how it works).

Translates this (which fits with the speaker subwoofer in that listening room / living room):

Measurement up to 1 kHz is sufficient and will be over.

As for the software control, you only need to change Gain, Out1 and Delay.

I expect a system delay of about 2 ms, so you can set Delay to 4 ms (4 + 2 = 6, which corresponds to about 2 meters of runway difference to the speakers), you can enter which values you want even if the steps are rough. Note that the delay is only used to obtain a better integration around the crossover frequency. The system is already shared via the analog filter, so the LP filter in DSP 4x4 does not need to be used.

Under Out1 you set parametric filters, you only need to make changes in the PEQ part.

Finally, make sure to set Gain / Input / InA so that you can certainly not override the device, i.e. the inverse to the maximum eq level (eg -9 dB if the maximum Gain for PEQ is 9 dB).

Press Store on the bar at the bottom when you are done.


 
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Once the parameters loaded, it does not need to stay connected to the PC, right ?
Is it going to enable proper sub integration this way ? : PC->Topping D10 Balanced ->t.racks DSP -> Kali In-5 / SVS SB 1000 Pro (no TRS though)
Yes. Your signal flow will work. I have a similar myself. Just remember to use balanced cables from d10 to dsp to Kali to avoid possibly ground loops. Also if you setup the parameters you want in the dsp then you can store the setup and disconnect from the pc. It will keep the stored parameters.
 
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