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They have murdered "Tears for Fears" ... digitally!

Is this an outrage?


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If you do facebook, please post a polite note expressing your displeasure with the DR5 mastering. I just did under my fb alias JB. They need to know how we feel.
Good idea, but i have given up Facebook. Left a Tweet instead. This will turn things around, i'm sure of it. :cool:
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Right in the noodle, friends, right in the noodle.

Remember, this stuff is probably not read by them or anyone of consequence, most likely it will get ignored by some social media PR goon.
 

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......................................................................you can also increase the volume of your tweet until it cli

j/k
 

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This will turn things around, i'm sure of it.
Remember, this stuff is probably not read by them or anyone of consequence, most likely it will get ignored by some social media PR goon.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
 

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It's standard operating practice ...

No, its NOT standard practice. If it was, it would measure consistently, which it does not. I can post consistent waveforms without your "standard practice" false attributes ... inc. all my b.diaments recordings.

It is also, the least of vinyl's many unfixable problems.

dynamic compression & mono bass are not nearly the "problems" you hint with lp ... in fact, my own MANY measurements are in direct contrast to what u repeated suggest is "standard" practice in near every vinyl thread...
 

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I copied the tracks after each other and ran them through Perfect Declipper. Got me this:

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(based on the 24bit/96khz version). DR9.

It would seem to me that perhaps there is an issue with the creation of the clips on the website, not the actual music? Inaccurate loudness compensation?
 

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I checked with Apple Music Lossless - Sound Check ON vs OFF. Tipping Point track #2 results in the same DR = 5

Lossy Atmos version DR = 11
 

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sounds okay to me in 4.2.4
 

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No, its NOT standard practice. If it was, it would measure consistently, which it does not. I can post consistent waveforms without your "standard practice" false attributes ... inc. all my b.diaments recordings.



dynamic compression & mono bass are not nearly the "problems" you hint with lp ... in fact, my own MANY measurements are in direct contrast to what u repeated suggest is "standard" practice in near every vinyl thread...

But even if what you claim is true, NOT centering bass, creates 2 new issues...so does it really matter?

You end up with records that can not track and have to be cut at lower levels since the groove which is very wide for bass, will only swing one way or the other if not summed, resulting in increased distortion, and lower levels have to be used, resulting in increased surface noise.

There is no free lunch with vinyl. It has MANY compromises. They all interact together and none can be separated.
 
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True, but i'm not sure it needs saying in every single thread.

yeah, same old lame refrain ... as if i have to be repeatedly educated on the pros&cons, plus the fine art of setting (balancing below) turntables.
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There is no free lunch with vinyl.

every audiophile in the world who ever spun a disk knows the above ... but thanks anyway.

funny tho ... cant imagine any vinyl user in 2022 who doesn't own at least 1 or more fine digital systems (3 4me). so, you know(?), having both is knowledge...
 
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... maintaining digital just silly easy ...

... but maintaining sota vinyl certainly isn't ...

just polished thrust pad and replaced dc motor bushings. also replaced hardened inner spring dampers ... a total re-setup required.

... near complete: beamed led light adjustment platter balancing ...
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... set correct speed ... then find(?) the very high dynamic range orig tears4fears lp & cds to rip/measure/add/archive to my "digital" playlist.
 
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just polished thrust pad and replaced dc motor bushings. also replaced hardened inner spring dampers ... a total re-setup required.
Not to dampen your spirit, but is this still related to this murder?
 

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the only crime here is the current remasters, the orig should be just fine ... to establish such, one needs a working turntable to rip the t4f album in question ... then post results of the orig recordings as i stated ... is that relational enough for ya ?
 
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Yes, Mister, elegant drifterino you did there. :)

Still looking for a Wilson BluRay rip to appear tho ... that seems to be the best so far.
 

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Yes, Mister, elegant drifterino you did there. :)

Still looking for a Wilson BluRay rip to appear tho ... that seems to be the best ...

Wilson masters r usually very well done, certainly they r worth the search imo ...

im still looking for the orig lp and cd of the album, could be north which case will have to wait till fall.

In the meantime, did find this t4f lp ...
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... a quick rip (no cleaning) 'everybody want to rule the world' ...

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without measuring/comparing further, this looks and prob measures (dr r same) as the orig mercury cd edition, generally the case with early orig cd/lp comparisons.
 

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One nice thing about vinyl, is this stuff is less common simply due to "space" (cant carve up those grooves too thick by hoping to have everything blasting at the highest maximum output).

I think there needs to be some sort of DR specification for advertising going forward on all public releases of music.. Just like genre or age rating or whatever.
 

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I think there needs to be some sort of DR specification for advertising going forward on all public releases of music.. Just like genre or age rating or whatever.
Love the idea but don't believe the labels would ever allow it.
Once word got out to Joe Sixpack that a low DR=bad sound the push to stop current practice would be too loud to ignore.
Not at all what they want.
 
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