They have murdered "Tears for Fears" ... digitally!

[mhardy6647]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm just trying to figure out what word he was reaching for. Still am.

No biggie.

I read it as sensationalistic.

 

[charleski]

Naw, that's just the way it is.
I believe it was Mark Waldrep that told the story of doing a master for X company and they sent it back to him 3 times with the instruction to "make it louder".
You either do it or you don't work.
The only way around it is to have your own label.

Then you tell them to take your name off it. This is the established practice in many fields.
If you want to take the credit and have it on your resume, then you also take responsibility for the screw-up.

 

[TheBatsEar]

Then you tell them to take your name off it. This is the established practice in many fields.
If you want to take the credit and have it on your resume, then you also take responsibility for the screw-up.

Maybe he needs the paycheck? There are many reasons to sell out.

 

[dasdoing]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm just trying to figure out what word he was reaching for. Still am.

No biggie.

I am sorry. I knew it was wrong, but I lack the will to look things up all the time cause I believe that small errors don't hinder understanding. in this case I was wrong though, cause it ended up beeing not understandable. I apologize; I edited it allready.

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So why is it sensationalistic?
Cause you can't realy see what is going on with a graph of 50 minutes or so of span.

I call it murder.

hehehe

but seriously. Do you actualy hear a diference? And if so, is it as big as the blog want's to paint it?

 

[kchap]

Check this out:

Tears For Fears – The Tipping Point – Review (LP , CD, Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon, Atmos, Binaural, Bluray Audio)

Tears For Fears is back, after Everybody Loves a Happy Ending released in 2004, The Tipping Point is the 7th studio album. The album features 10 tracks, and the limited deluxe edition includes 3 bo…

magicvinyldigital.net

ALL the existing digital formats are screwed! The compression, the clipping!

Quoting my buddy Danny:
"The sound engineers should be shot.
Out of a cannon.
Into the sun."

LP (DR10):
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HiRez (DR5):
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I feel your pain. I spat the dummy over George Harrison's All Things Must Pass End of the Recording Industry. The upshot of the thread plus a few thoughts from a couple of other threads was:

In many cases it's the record producers who should be fired from a cannon; they often override the engineer. Inter-sample overs are going to be a problem, especially for over-sampling DACs. @AnalogueSteph suggested dropping the gain by 3 to 6 dB when ripping your CDs. He also pointed out in another thread also it strengthens the argument for digital volume controls; a digital volume control protects the DAC from inter-sample overs.

 

[TheBatsEar]

but seriously. Do you actualy hear a diference? And if so, is it as big as the blog want's to paint it?

I only have the CD version, so can't compare. I'm waiting for a BluRay or Apple Atmos version to fall into my lap.

So far the blog hasn't disappointed me, i think they do a valid service of showing bad cases of dynamic range tomfoolery.

 

[charleski]

Maybe he needs the paycheck?

You still get paid even if take your name off it. But I very much doubt that Ted Jensen 'needs the paycheck'. This isn't some newb fresh out of college.

People have been wringing their hands about this nonsense for a couple of decades. It's time to start calling out those who are actually pulling the trigger on the murder. The band itself is listed as the principal producer on this album, and they certainly have a share of the responsibility. But the whole point of hiring a professional engineer is supposedly so you don't end up with amateurish disasters like this. Jensen has been praised in the past for his ability to make mixes 'louder' without destructive limiting. There are many ways to do that, but they take skill and experience. So what happened here?

 

[TBone]

Right, sum bass to mono, try not to cut too close to the last inch of deadwax, pray that the pressing is not off-center, know that the upper dynamic limitation is determined by limitations of the cutting head, thus preventing some dynamics from being audible, distortion inevitably increases as the stylus approaches the deadwax, there's always the potential of a warped record, surface noise, but yeah, other than that, digital sucks.

... speaking of broken records

... how often u gonna mention "mono bass" misnomer.

... near every lp measured left & right shows consistent stereo waveforms compared to the equivalent cd master in the lower freq (nothin below 50hz exist anyway, with the vast majority of masters)

 

[Music1969]

"The sound engineers should be shot.

Looks like the same person/people involved in the vinyl mastering did the digital masterings too

 

[Music1969]

Interesting that the Amazon ATMOS version has way better DR than Qobuz hi-res - despite being lossy Atmos (not True HD)

 

[TheBatsEar]

Looks like the same person/people involved in the vinyl mastering did the digital masterings too

Easy, he gets shot into the sun twice.

 

[freemansteve]

Being a bit boring is worse than any issues with the mix....

 

[ThatM1key]

I know Green Day's "American Idiot" had terrible DR when it came out on CD but later it was remastered only in "hi-res" and had better DR overall. On Prostudiomasters there selling a MQA "192/24 source" version for the same money as the actual 192/24 files, what a damn right off. I'm more of a "CD Quality" person because most "hi-res" is garbage mastered low DR shit and CD Quality is enough.

 

[TBone]

Looks like the same person/people involved in the vinyl mastering did the digital masterings too

this dr/compression game is normal practice today, sadly. Today's DR5/DR10 is new DR10/15.

have the orig of the above lp, and may even have the orig cd ... not certain bc not a big fan of this band/lp, tho iirc ... these orig recordings offered huge dynamics ... rip and post waves if given ...

 

[digitalfrost]

I copied the tracks after each other and ran them through Perfect Declipper. Got me this:

(based on the 24bit/96khz version). DR9.

 

[Music1969]

Apple Music ATMOS vs Lossless (title track #2)

Loudness wars are over ! Long live lossy Dolby Atmos !!

 

[Robin L]

... speaking of broken records

... how often u gonna mention "mono bass" misnomer.

... near every lp measured left & right shows consistent stereo waveforms compared to the equivalent cd master in the lower freq (nothin below 50hz exist anyway, with the vast majority of masters)

It's standard operating practice:

Mono Bass (summed channel) on Vinyl

Hey there everyone. A questions was posed on the Vinyl Asylum about vinyl having mono or "summed channel" bass. (below 60 Hz perhaps). If it did...

forums.stevehoffman.tv

It is also, the least of vinyl's many unfixable problems.

 

[Ralph_Cramden]

I had to look them up. Nope, don't care.

Wikiwand - Tears for Fears

Tears for Fears are an English pop rock band formed in Bath in 1981 by Curt Smith and Roland Orzabal. Founded after the dissolution of their first band, the mod-influenced Graduate, Tears for Fears were associated with the synth-pop bands of the 1980s, and attained international chart success as...

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[Sal1950]

If you do facebook, please post a polite note expressing your displeasure with the DR5 mastering. I just did under my fb alias JB. They need to know how we feel.

Tears for Fears

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[thegeton]

"Just following orders" isn't a protection.

"Just following orders" is commonly referred to as the Nuremberg Defense.