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There is something very, very wrong with today’s music

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Probably less garbage because more composers went through training to do the job. However, it's mostly formulaic for the same reason. The musicians have to know how to bring it to life. The really great composers had the best ideas and are, I guess, the easiest to work with today for that reason.
There was a huge amount of music produced in centuries passed that has simply been lost to the sands of time. Great composers were writing their works down. Fiddlers and bards singing songs and playing jigs in local taverns were not.

The main difference between today and 30 years ago or 75 years ago or 200 years ago is that everything is recorded and distributed. Until the 21st century, if you wanted to record and distribute your music, in most cases you needed a record label and record labels served a gatekeeping function. Prior to the existence of recorded music, for music to be distributed it had to be carefully transcribed and reproduced by musicians. That serves an even greater gatekeeping function. Now literally anyone with access to a computer and record and distribute music.

That's a double-edged sword - there's more great music being produced now than at any point in history, and there's more garbage being produced now than at any point in history.
 

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Now, I'm not crazy about today's music in general, but perhaps the problem has been going on for quite some time:

 

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...The main difference between today and 30 years ago or 75 years ago or 200 years ago is that everything is recorded and distributed....
...Prior to the existence of recorded music, for music to be distributed it had to be carefully transcribed and reproduced by musicians...
oddly - and you may know this - but a lot of recorded music scores over the last (almost) 100 years have been lost or severely deprecated - due to fire-volatile film stock (cellulose-nitrate), improper storage and/or simple plain neglect...

and the ONLY way today, to maintain them in a form suitable for reproduction recording has been to preserve the original composers, orchestrators and music copyists physical music-cue transcriptions... yep - music staves on paper...

I know UCLA (other universities as well?) have had film music score preservation programs in place for years...
 

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oddly - and you may know this - but a lot of recorded music scores over the last (almost) 100 years have been lost or severely deprecated - due to fire-volatile film stock (cellulose-nitrate), improper storage and/or simple plain neglect...

and the ONLY way today, to maintain them in a form suitable for reproduction recording has been to preserve the original composers, orchestrators and music copyists physical music-cue transcriptions... yep - music staves on paper...

I know UCLA (other universities as well?) have had film music score preservation programs in place for years...
Well, virtually nothing is archived on tape or film stock anymore for precisely this reason.

Paper scores have generally been resistant to being lost because it's easy to keep many different copies distributed in different locations. Pretty much all media is now stored in this way with cloud storage and the ease of making and distributing perfect digital copies. The fact that a soundcloud rap song may not be transcribed doesn't really affect its ability to be duplicated, distributed, and archived when that song exists in 10,000 copies distributed all over the world.
 

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Well, virtually nothing is archived on tape or film stock anymore for precisely this reason.
tape - less so, certainly - although some of us still use it for different sonic purposes...

however film stock as both developed negative (and occasionally interpositive work prints) are certainly archived in that format... I was pointing out current and past orchestral composer's works survivability for the purposes of discussion here as they had been mentioned above...

as well, archiving music in digital form is only a bit more than forty years old - and 2-track mix masters on analog tape are in many cases, preferred catalog sources for a quite a number of remastering projects and product...
 

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There was a huge amount of music produced in centuries passed that has simply been lost to the sands of time. Great composers were writing their works down. Fiddlers and bards singing songs and playing jigs in local taverns were not.
Conversely, there was a huge amount of mediocre (and worse) music produced in centuries past that, mercifully, has been filtered out by the sands of time.
That's a double-edged sword - there's more great music being produced now than at any point in history, and there's more garbage being produced now than at any point in history.
Yup and these will be filtered out by the sands of time going forward and sparring the sensibilities of future generations. Strange how that works.
 

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Conversely, there was a huge amount of mediocre (and worse) music produced in centuries past that, mercifully, has been filtered out by the sands of time.
That's not conversely, that's literally what I was saying!
 

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There was a huge amount of music produced in centuries passed that has simply been lost to the sands of time. Great composers were writing their works down. Fiddlers and bards singing songs and playing jigs in local taverns were not.

The main difference between today and 30 years ago or 75 years ago or 200 years ago is that everything is recorded and distributed. Until the 21st century, if you wanted to record and distribute your music, in most cases you needed a record label and record labels served a gatekeeping function. Prior to the existence of recorded music, for music to be distributed it had to be carefully transcribed and reproduced by musicians. That serves an even greater gatekeeping function. Now literally anyone with access to a computer and record and distribute music.

That's a double-edged sword - there's more great music being produced now than at any point in history, and there's more garbage being produced now than at any point in history.
It looks like a line from my post went missing - something along the lines of “for the composed music we still have”.
The history of music is complicated. For example, take the extended improvisation “Anonymous II” by the Dutch band Focus. It’s recorded on their album Focus 3, but there’s an earlier version on their first LP, and the band in its current form were still playing it, and the improvised nature means that it keeps changing. The theme? It’s derived from a version of a Renaissance tune written down in various countries under different names, sometimes as just a piece of music, sometimes as a dance tune. But the people who wrote it down didn’t compose it, and the way they wrote it down depended on the instrument they played and tbe purpose they put it to. Before that? It may have been a fragment of a lost Mass, a dance or folk tune brought into a court by professional musicians, maybe taken from one of the annual religious plays. Older music was regularised into verse forms for songs, put to a regular rhythm for dance, changed to fit the notes available and the range on new instruments, improvised on and revised, taken into a particular religion or culture and memorised in a static form for generations, and so on.
Most of the history of music is the mixing of oral tradition, and about adaptation and “improvement”. It’s still how music works today. Now we call it things like jazz, sub-genre, historically informed performance, sampling, folk, world music, or simply interpretation.

That’s how it should be. Those music critics who listened to records and objected that a forte in bar x or a particular note “wasn’t in the score” were utterly wrong and did so much damage to our musical tradition.
 

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That's a double-edged sword - there's more great music being produced now than at any point in history, and there's more garbage being produced now than at any point in history.
A matter of opinion.
I've heard little modern music being produced that I would call great, or even decent.
Time will tell and we will see how much of today's music is still around being played in 50 years as some from the 1970s is being played today.
 

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A matter of opinion.
I've heard little modern music being produced that I would call great, or even decent.
Time will tell and we will see how much of today's music is still around being played in 50 years as some from the 1970s is being played today.
Folks of another generation said the exact same thing about music being produced in the 70s compared to jazz and classical.

My observation has been that people who are dismissive of contemporary music tend not to have listened to much of it.
 
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