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The video business is slowly dying

PristineSound

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delta76 said:
it's TV business. TV <> Video business :)
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Yes, mostly are TV's, but I am also including disc players, hence I use the term video.
 
because you implied that streaming services are dying too - they are not - they are the reason disc is dying.
 
delta76 said:
because you implied that streaming services are dying too - they are not - they are the reason disc is dying.
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Streaming? Not sure how you came up to this conclusion, the word streaming wasn't even mentioned.
 
delta76 said:
because streaming is also video :). but well, let's stop arguing on that small detail
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Hold on, you can move on from this, but let's clarify for others who may read this too.

Under video it includes anything that is video, TV, disc, projectors, projection screens, yes, streaming. The video industry is largely going through a transformation with disc players and TVs. So if I just said TV's I am excluding disc players, hence I use the term video. And by saying video, it does not automatically mean every video category under the sun.

I am typically very careful with my verbiage usage when on ASR, for reasons like this.
 
PristineSound said:
Over the years more and more brands are selling off or shutting down their video business, from beloved Oppo Digital, to Toshiba, JVC, Sharp, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, so on and so forth.

Now Sony. This is a very competitive market. Hisense and TCL now are dominating the market due to consumer price sensitivity. I'm afraid that Samsung and LG may be next on the chopping block.

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I am saddened to read this agreement includes the sale of a controlling interest in Sony's home audio business too.

It is my recollection Sony was willing to spend more on the style of their lower-priced audio gear than others


It is my impression Samsung has a much bigger share of the global market for TV's than Sony and may be better able to compete with Hisense and TCL than Sony.

I don't know how how profitable selling TV's is for LG.

I hope 'LG Display' - their subsidiary making and selling OLED panels is a growing revenue segment for LG.

Panasonic recently resumed selling TV's in the USA after an absence of several years. I don't know but I imagine their share of the global market for TV's makes it hard for Panasonic to compete with Hisense and TCL.

The link notes TCL purchased a 51 percent controlling interest from Sony.

A higher percentage would give me more confidence TCL intends to invest capital to grow revenue with the Sony brand of TV's and home audio.

This announcement makes me wonder for how much longer TCL will offer Sony-branded disc players.
 
PristineSound said:
Hold on, you can move on from this, but let's clarify for others who may read this too.

Under video it includes anything that is video, TV, disc, projectors, projection screens, yes, streaming. The video industry is largely going through a transformation with disc players and TVs. So if I just said TV's I am excluding disc players, hence I use the term video. And by saying video, it does not automatically mean every video category under the sun.

I am typically very careful with my verbiage usage when on ASR, for reasons like this.
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and I don't think TV business is dying. Sony makes an exit because it's become less profitable to them. TCL and Hisense have become much more competitive in recent years. Sony can't compete with LG/Samsung on higher end segment (OLED) and with TCL/Hisense on the lower end segment.

The market for TV is still big and well I'd say.
 
It's a shame, but not a surprise. I was in the market for a new TV last year, but Sony's Bravia options were pretty unimpressive relative to the competition.
 
I thought Sony's TVs had been built around displays from a Samsung-Sony joint company for years.

My impression is that the PRC government is currently doing what the Japanese government once did: Subsidize sectors of the economy to promote a crazy level of development and intense domestic competition, such that the surviving manufacturers are really, really, good. Enjoy the windfall while it lasts, PRC taxpayers are subsidizing it! Someday, perhaps we'll speak fondly of the good ole days of Made-in-PRC, and brands like Hisense and Haier.
 
I got a "made in Poland" 65" TCL FALD LCD (UHD) about 3 years ago (in Poland where I'm currently living).
No complaints, price roughly half of a comparable Sony or Samsung.

To the "dying" business - IDK, I assume they will have to issue a "8k bluray", if they want people to buy 8k TVs.
Streaming alone won't satisfy many home cinema fans.
 
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respice finem said:
I got a "made in Poland" 65" TCL FALD LCD (UHD) about 3 years ago (in Poland where I'm currently living).
No complaints, price roughly half of a comparable Sony or Samsung.

To the "dying" business - IDK, I assume they will have to issue a "8k bluray", if they want people to buy 8k TVs.
Streaming alone won't satisfy many home cinema fans.
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TCL C8K is a great tv and according to rtings it is better than Samsung QN90F. Quite cheaper too. They have made quite progress in last decade. Previously positioned themselves as cheap. Now they cheap and good!

Home cinema fans that invest in 4K bluray is a niche market. They can't make any meaningful market movement. (i am one too)
 
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I've had Samsung generally before, but went Hisense 65 this time. Big price difference and there was a 5 year warranty offer. It was a no brainer, I just could not justify a higher price and a worse warranty.
 
JeffS7444 said:
I thought Sony's TVs had been built around displays from a Samsung-Sony joint company for years.

My impression is that the PRC government is currently doing what the Japanese government once did: Subsidize sectors of the economy to promote a crazy level of development and intense domestic competition, such that the surviving manufacturers are really, really, good. Enjoy the windfall while it lasts, PRC taxpayers are subsidizing it! Someday, perhaps we'll speak fondly of the good ole days of Made-in-PRC, and brands like Hisense and Haier.
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Sony’s first few years of OLED TVs utilized panels made by LG—in fact, identical to the panels LG was using in its own TVs. I recall that at some point, Sony began producing OLED panels. I don’t think that Samsung ever manufactured OLED panels. They were developing micro LED technology (“QLED”) instead.
 
Billy Budapest said:
...I don’t think that Samsung ever manufactured OLED panels. They were developing micro LED technology (“QLED”) instead.
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Allegedly, they do/did:

Does Samsung Make Their Own OLED Panels? A Deep Dive into the World of Displays - NerdyTechBlog

The world of display technology is constantly evolving, with terms like OLED (Organic Light Emitting Diode) becoming increasingly prevalent. Samsung, a
nerdytechblog.com nerdytechblog.com
www.techradar.com

I visited Samsung's secretive OLED TV factory, and here's what I learned

The inside story on Samsung’s 2023 QD-OLED improvements
www.techradar.com www.techradar.com

And, QLED isn't MicroLED:
www.leddisplayleader.com

What is the difference between micro LED and QLED displays? - Blog - JIUWLDS Technology

What is the difference between micro LED and QLED displays?
www.leddisplayleader.com www.leddisplayleader.com
 
Chrispy said:
The part that is dying IMO is the home playback/ownership via disc particularly. Obviously not going away otherwise.
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I'm still hoping (even though it might not be a particularly big slice of the "cake"), they will release a (8k?) successor of the UHD BluRay.
If they don't, the only remaining ownership option would be piracy - but maybe they forgot, they've been there before.
 
respice finem said:
I'm still hoping (even though it might not be a particularly big slice of the "cake"), they will release a (8k?) successor of the UHD BluRay.
If they don't, the only remaining ownership option would be piracy - but maybe they forgot, they've been there before.
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The limited releases of even 4k bluray are telling I think, and 8k it seems just not something to expect and if it does happen will be extremely expensive due limited market.
 
Maybe. OTOH, this was similar when UHD / "4k" was new. 10 years later, it dominated the market. We will see...
8k doesn't seem to make sense with streaming data rates, but people might buy anyway.
 
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