The Truth About Phono Cartridges

[Wiredforsound]

Hence a good reason to use NOS wherever possible or good copies, eg Jico sas stuli on technics bodies work very well. I'm still sceptical that a modern good quality micro line or similar would wear out the audio bandwidth. Would be quite easy to measure it.

Not sure as in never had anything to do with Quadraphonic sound and records.
Other than buying some due to superior SQ.

Remember my Dad had brought home a Quadraphonic Reciever in early 70's but backed off on buying it.

Went to a few concerts with Quadraphonic sound.
One I remember was The Stampeders.

 

[dlaloum]

Hence a good reason to use NOS wherever possible or good copies, eg Jico sas stuli on technics bodies work very well. I'm still sceptical that a modern good quality micro line or similar would wear out the audio bandwidth. Would be quite easy to measure it.

Sadly the Jico's are "porkers" by comparison to the original Technics or Shure styli... the resonance is in the 14kHz to 16kHz range, rather than where it was with the originals 32kHz for Shure and 50kHz+ for technics (depending on the model)

Which is not to say the Jico's are bad styli far from it.... I have two of them - but not on a par with the originals

 

[Wiredforsound]

32khz and 50kHz just more info regarding Engineering and development.
Taken for granted.
But when it's gone, it's just gone.

 

[Bernard23]

Sadly the Jico's are "porkers" by comparison to the original Technics or Shure styli... the resonance is in the 14kHz to 16kHz range, rather than where it was with the originals 32kHz for Shure and 50kHz+ for technics (depending on the model)

Which is not to say the Jico's are bad styli far from it.... I have two of them - but not on a par with the originals

The Technics stylus I know a little about and agreed there's been nothing as advanced since, I'm sure the mk4 205 version used a hollow boron pipe that was made using CVD process and was assembled with an extremely low mass damper system, most of which will have perished by now so even NoS won't work as they were intended. They can be repaired but it's not easy. I tried a jico sas on the two different 205 generators and it was good, but not hugely better than a 270C with a new Nagaoka G28 stylus fitted, though I suspect the arm on my SL-1800 probably limited things.

 

[dlaloum]

The Technics stylus I know a little about and agreed there's been nothing as advanced since, I'm sure the mk4 205 version used a hollow boron pipe that was made using CVD process and was assembled with an extremely low mass damper system, most of which will have perished by now so even NoS won't work as they were intended. They can be repaired but it's not easy. I tried a jico sas on the two different 205 generators and it was good, but not hugely better than a 270C with a new Nagaoka G28 stylus fitted, though I suspect the arm on my SL-1800 probably limited things.

If one has an original stylus with the original Boron pipe cantilever and a needle in good condition, it is worthwhile spending the $ to have a retipper replace the suspension... there is nothing made today that can match that cantilever...

With a replaced suspension/damper, the compliance would most likely be different - and you would need to adjust for that... on the other hand most current arms are mid mass, rather than the low mass designs that were in vogue at the time, so a shift to a lower compliance suspension could be an advantage with something like a Technics SL1800 tonearm (which is higher mass than is ideal for a high compliance design...)

 

[Bernard23]

If one has an original stylus with the original Boron pipe cantilever and a needle in good condition, it is worthwhile spending the $ to have a retipper replace the suspension... there is nothing made today that can match that cantilever...

With a replaced suspension/damper, the compliance would most likely be different - and you would need to adjust for that... on the other hand most current arms are mid mass, rather than the low mass designs that were in vogue at the time, so a shift to a lower compliance suspension could be an advantage with something like a Technics SL1800 tonearm (which is higher mass than is ideal for a high compliance design...)

I haven't given up on the idea of a jico sas on my deck, it's just a lot of cash for a relatively small improvement, and it still won't be as good as my streamer.

 

[dlaloum]

I haven't given up on the idea of a jico sas on my deck, it's just a lot of cash for a relatively small improvement, and it still won't be as good as my streamer.

Not much point comparing the two forms of media, you might as well compare an old edison cylinder!

But if you have a older vinyl, which either has not been re-released in digital, or where the mastering is better on the vinyl than on the digital version readily available.... then we go back to scrubbing carbon rocks on vinyl platters!!

 

[Bernard23]

Not much point comparing the two forms of media, you might as well compare an old edison cylinder!

But if you have a older vinyl, which either has not been re-released in digital, or where the mastering is better on the vinyl than on the digital version readily available.... then we go back to scrubbing carbon rocks on vinyl platters!!

Yeah I know, tbh I keep my TT more for nostalgic reasons, I grew up in the 70s so a world full of brushed aluminium and perfectly weighted metal knobs. I once owned over 250 LPs but lost them all in a house flood years ago so my collection is now very small. The Technics was fully restored so new caps, pots, arm wiring, soldering etc etc so as good as it was the day it came out of the factory in osaka in 1977.
I was disappointed with the 205 + jico sas as it was too bright, I don't think the jico styli are particularly low tip mass so maybe that's the cause. The much cheaper nagaoka G28 that I'm using sounds really good so no reason to change it.

 

[Audiofire]

I was disappointed with the 205 + jico sas as it was too bright, I don't think the jico styli are particularly low tip mass so maybe that's the cause.

Maybe, the cause is that the stylus is actually too sharp for the particular vinyl record. Van den Hul made the first microline stylus product, but mass of the cantilever is more important. Technical expert wrote Van den Hul is "a hifi scam artist" and "a truly evil toad" (fun message):

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You're way off the mark there. Not least from the fact I am in no way offended. Though I wish I was offended because someone laughed at my 4million bux system. :p Plus I've posted my request for commentary on posted videos elsewhere on the forum. It's just common courtesy in my view. I would...

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