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The Sober Thread

24 years no alcohol. It was only the third time almost dying from alcohol/while drunk (that I know of!) that got me to quit. Glad I did, and I don't miss alcohol at all.

Currently taking a long break (>6 months) from Cannabis use to evaluate my relationship with that clearly. This has been problematic at times, though never even remotely as destructive as my alcohol use. I really enjoy being stoned, unlike being drunk, which was always just a means to an end, so there is an actual reward there. I have not really missed it though, so far, so no idea where I'm going to end up.
It is a lot different. I’ve been on a hiatus too based on my interest in other things going on in my life. I still love the positive aspects of thc. The concept still appeals to me and when I imagine its effects it still seems fun. The odor of wafting smoke makes me smile, not run for cover.
 
Some folk can enjoy a drink and be fine with that. For some (myself included), we can’t just enjoy one or two. I think if i were to have a glass of wine or a beer now, it would be so easy to slip back into full blown addiction. And yeah, special occasions were always triggers. Birthdays, Xmas, Easter, the dog going to the toilet, anything. Any excuse to pop a cork. Avoiding those triggers, finding coping strategies to get through those special occasions dry, are key to staying dry. Happy birthday to your girl!
+1 for "special" occasions being a vague and too easily met criteria.

Many thanks for your wishes! And to all, sincere thanks for sharing, it fuels my hope of having saner habits.

c/o OP a great thread and a splendid idea!
 
As my teenage friends got around to stealing their parents hard liquor I shared some of that. Sometime or other while 16 years old I drank more than could handle, kind of briefly passed out and ended up with a hangover. After that just drinking to the point of getting hungover was so unpleasant and on top of that how poorly felt when worked 8 hour shifts on Saturdays and Sundays I stopped drinking anything but a little beer in my teenage years.
Similar experiences ... :) I can still clearly remember what my aunt said at my cousin's (14 year old) confirmation when he was dead drunk: "That's part of growing up."
On an evening in the run-up to Christmas we watched the movie "Die Feuerzangenbowle" (a classic here that airs on TV every year) with friends. We had Spekulatius (speculaas) cookies and plenty of alcoholic drinks (including that punch) to go with it. Somehow, I managed to make it home that night and threw up right next to my bed. The entire next day was a delirium. After that, never drank large quantities of alcohol again. It probably helps that I don't like the taste of most beers or hard liquors. Beer punch, apple cider, Licor 43 with milk, and eggnog on ice etc. are delicious and I enjoy having them in company, maybe 10 times per year (and less each year).

One last amusing or interesting little anecdote: I work at the tax office, and my department handles, among other things, non-profit organizations. Part of the routine audit involves reviewing documents such as the minutes of these organizations' general meetings. In the case of a carnival club (type of organization whose non-profit status is often questionable ...) I read the following: "We need to talk about the club's direction. The old guard can't run the show on their own, but the young people just want to drink. Things can't go on like this."
 
I want to congratulate everyone who stopped their problem drinking! That is a fantastic achievement, good for the person who gives it up, and often for the people around them. It's really hard, so you should feel proud of being in control.
The harm that I see from alcohol every day in my job is awful, so good on you for being strong.
I drank too much as a late-teenager which probably ruined my once-fine brain, and I'm a bit socially-stupid even when sober, so basically no alcohol for me.
Watching my younger brother die with alcohol and drug addiction made those things look even more horrible to me.
 
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The mind and, I suppose, some other body organs are ultra complex and sensitive. Destabilization can come about from many outside sources, and destabilization can have secondary effects and cross system negative consequences. A life-time of drinking can subject the body to having to process one, two, THREE and even FOUR accumulated barrels of ethanol (each at 55 gallons). That is a lot of poison. It is not reasonable to believe you will be the lucky one who is not impaired. That is the essence of addiction, absence of reason, impairment of reason. I've been alcohol sober for a few decades. In the last few years, I've been using marijuana occasionally, and now it is once a week and slowly moving to twice a week. That is doing nothing beneficial for my mind, it deteriorates executive function and memory, and it isn't fun anymore. At a point it becomes so autonomic that you just do it. It gets nearly impossible to self-interject a decision point. If I am going to quit the marijuana I will likely have to return to attendance at a group dedicated to addiction management such as AA. I know I will need support from others as reinforcement. The hybrid varieties of marijuana of today are significantly different from that of decades ago and therefore the consequences of use and especially long-term use is unknown, however, there are numerous indications of negative effects that are consequential and significant. Humans like to experiment on themselves.
 
The mind and, I suppose, some other body organs are ultra complex and sensitive. Destabilization can come about from many outside sources, and destabilization can have secondary effects and cross system negative consequences. A life-time of drinking can subject the body to having to process one, two, THREE and even FOUR accumulated barrels of ethanol (each at 55 gallons). That is a lot of poison. It is not reasonable to believe you will be the lucky one who is not impaired. That is the essence of addiction, absence of reason, impairment of reason. I've been alcohol sober for a few decades. In the last few years, I've been using marijuana occasionally, and now it is once a week and slowly moving to twice a week. That is doing nothing beneficial for my mind, it deteriorates executive function and memory, and it isn't fun anymore. At a point it becomes so autonomic that you just do it. It gets nearly impossible to self-interject a decision point. If I am going to quit the marijuana I will likely have to return to attendance at a group dedicated to addiction management such as AA. I know I will need support from others as reinforcement. The hybrid varieties of marijuana of today are significantly different from that of decades ago and therefore the consequences of use and especially long-term use is unknown, however, there are numerous indications of negative effects that are consequential and significant. Humans like to experiment on themselves.
Good luck, TimF, I hope you get what you want :)
 
Wow great responses here. I posted this unable to sleep late last night (a nip and a puff usually used to work for me). I don’t know what I was expecting but now I am so grateful to the membership here for generously sharing their experiences. A good measure of cautionary and inspirational posts.

I look at some people (for example my wife) who can have one glass of wine a week with dinner and be perfectly happy. And I wonder - whats the goddamn point man!? If you are going to drink, at least try to get a buzz on... sheesh. I do wish I can someday return to very occasional use but based on what I have researched so far, this may be ill-advised. Apparently its real easy to awaken the beast within.

I was recommended this documentary, Pleasure Unwoven which explores addiction as a disease. I do not know if it is entirely rooted in science but it did help me better come to terms with my addictions. Free on Vimeo for those interested:

@amirm @RickS - This is kind of not a fun topic, video, etc LOL but the beer/wine/etc threads are in this sub forum. Please feel free to move as appropriate (perhaps the Member area).
 
One month sober today - I was hoping for some positive effects by now - better focus, motivation, etc. but I’m not seeing it LOL.

I still have some trouble sleeping and get weird ass dreams some days. It does feel easier to remain sober now, the pull isn’t as strong and I’ve started to go back to the bar (get NA beers there).

At least I saved some money - about $300 US, not bad!!
 
Any advice for those with alcoholic friends?

I've been around drugs all my life, but was never drawn in by them the way some people are. Once it stopped getting fun to get high that was the end.

I put booze in the same category as drugs, if that wasn't clear already. Just a substance of choice for a high of choice.

One thing I notice about my friends is that they mostly use drugs like a tool to self-regulate up or down depending on the situation. Sobriety is an unwelcome state, or brings with it unwelcome things.
 
I smoke a lot but i do leave a lot of the drink alone sometimes its too fat. Some go to AA it helps them...you'll save money think of it weekly like if it helps you and off week or on week. theres no shame in it theres a lot things could be worse, I wanna stay up all night drinking and smoking i can. just responsibly. well popped blackies high e figures, must be some junk strings moved the saddles and it popped ball ends through the bridge. had to get me a screw driver and both a metric and SAE allen sets again anyways..now i want the balls/ballends to bite grab the base of the bridge/hole right. I'll use the eb slinky set or Daddario's good balls..still like the tone of them too...now with strings i know some sound more Acoustic or hi-gain than others...see how long that last and how ive always done run like 3 pegs past the peg your stringing, thats enough wrap. see how long that last before i restring with one broken. now thats gotten me further to want take the pickguard off and inspect. I was hoping go a little bit longer really.
 
One month sober today - I was hoping for some positive effects by now - better focus, motivation, etc. but I’m not seeing it LOL.

I still have some trouble sleeping and get weird ass dreams some days. It does feel easier to remain sober now, the pull isn’t as strong and I’ve started to go back to the bar (get NA beers there).

At least I saved some money - about $300 US, not bad!!
Stick with it. I quit in 2020, it took about three months before I started to feel the benefits but eventually I did; combined with daily exercise I felt ten years younger.

Was never an alcoholic but I did use to drink every single evening. Now I only drink on special occasions, couple of times a year at most. Only regret is I didn't quit it sooner.
 
One month sober today - I was hoping for some positive effects by now - better focus, motivation, etc. but I’m not seeing it LOL.

I still have some trouble sleeping and get weird ass dreams some days. It does feel easier to remain sober now, the pull isn’t as strong and I’ve started to go back to the bar (get NA beers there).

At least I saved some money - about $300 US, not bad!!
It could be months before you start noticing improvement in concentration and sleep, etc. The first few months and your body is trying to re-adjust. There is some useful info at this link https://www.ukat.co.uk/help-guides/quitting-alcohol-timeline/
 
One month sober today - I was hoping for some positive effects by now - better focus, motivation, etc. but I’m not seeing it LOL.

I still have some trouble sleeping and get weird ass dreams some days. It does feel easier to remain sober now, the pull isn’t as strong and I’ve started to go back to the bar (get NA beers there).

At least I saved some money - about $300 US, not bad!!
Also, i forgot to add, stick with it! You’re doing great!
 
Any advice for those with alcoholic friends?

I've been around drugs all my life, but was never drawn in by them the way some people are. Once it stopped getting fun to get high that was the end.

I put booze in the same category as drugs, if that wasn't clear already. Just a substance of choice for a high of choice.

One thing I notice about my friends is that they mostly use drugs like a tool to self-regulate up or down depending on the situation. Sobriety is an unwelcome state, or brings with it unwelcome things.
That is a tough one. I have friends who I regularly hang out with still who I was drinking everyday with. I want to ask them to reduce/stop/reconsider and tell them there is a better way but haven’t found the words yet. The fact that we still usually meet at the bar doesn’t help either. :(
 
Only side effect I really noticed from quitting was craving chocolate. I'd have to eat a big bar of it every night, like Orson Welles in 'Touch Of Evil.'

That took about six months to wear off.
 
Only side effect I really noticed from quitting was craving chocolate. I'd have to eat a big bar of it every night, like Orson Welles in 'Touch Of Evil.'

That took about six months to wear off.
Exactly the same experience! If it wasn’t alcohol, it was replaced by sugar in the form of chocolate bars.
 
Any advice for those with alcoholic friends?

I've been around drugs all my life, but was never drawn in by them the way some people are. Once it stopped getting fun to get high that was the end.

I put booze in the same category as drugs, if that wasn't clear already. Just a substance of choice for a high of choice.

One thing I notice about my friends is that they mostly use drugs like a tool to self-regulate up or down depending on the situation. Sobriety is an unwelcome state, or brings with it unwelcome things.
My advice if you have a severe alcoholic in your life: set boundaries, keep your distance, and seek professional help.
Ultimately, the alcoholic must realize for themselves that they’re on a destructive path.
Non-professional help from friends, acquaintances, or family members usually doesn’t lead to success but almost certainly leads to your own codependency.

Read books on the subject and seek outside support.
Alcohol can be extremely destructive; first and foremost, you must protect yourself.
 
Partying and getting drunk every now and then was part of the youth culture and growing up, and as most or my friends i had a lot of fun, and sometimes not fun at all, doing all sorts of stupid things.

From my perspective there are 4 main roads to addiction as far as booze goes. One is the partying that never stopped - fun being the driving force, then there are self medication - the escape, then there are people who are disposed for it, hooked the first time they get tipsy, and finally the cultural thing where drinking is an intricate part of the culture - e.g. wine/vodka for everything and every occasion, the pub at the center of everything, or the wind down drink after work plus heavy representation.

In my late 20'ies I deliberately decided to perform an experiment on myself to see how fast I could become addicted by regular drinking which I didn't do beforehand. I decided to have one fairly normal drink (like 4 cl and 6 cl tops or one shot if you like) every evening, always in a social setting with colleagues. It took about 3-4 weeks before i felt the need for a 2nd drink, and after abt 8-9 weeks I felt the need for a third. It would have been foolish to carry on having a third, thus that's where I stopped. It took more than a month before the urge vanished. Regular low scale social drinking is a notable risk factor.

I decided already as a kid that I wouldn't do full weekend parties. I didn't cure the hangover with booze. If I had a hangover saturday, I waited until the saturday evening before entering the party, then lived through the sunday hangover and stayed sober on weekdays except from one fantasticly fun summer at 18. Bought a good car for my hard earned cash (was working a lot), and that whole summer, my best friend and I alternated every 2nd day being the chaffeaur and the partyboy.

Saw and was around all kinds of alcoholics and a few on drugs as a kid, most of them were functional alcoholics, some were okey until frequently tipping over the edge be it in miserable selfpity, hooray or aggressivity, and a few were full blown addicts as nasty as can be.

Once I had learned my lessons from being an idiot, and not liking to be around drunk people (terribly boring then unpredictable), I simply decided that my threshold was becoming tipsy. I still like becoming tipsy on occasion, and having learned my lessons, I never have mixed drinks. If it tasted orange juice I would drink it as orange juice and didn't take notice until I had too many. I deliberately tested that too.

So, my consumption limits itself to a glass of wine for dinner every now and then, occasionally two, and it happens any time I like. When I have a drink - also every now and then - I have one or two, (and perhaps three, 4-5 times a year). The one excemption to all of this goes with specific food - rather big meals - sitting at the table for hours - with beer and schnaps. Believe it's about 2-3 years since last time, but normally that is a seasonal thing a couple of days a year.

If there are kids at the occasion or around the table I prefer no wine++. Simply because just about everyone changes in behaviour when under the influence, and kids notice that without understanding why people becomes different. Not doing anything wrong, but different. Kids don't need that.

A final rule I follow without exemptions: I don't touch the stuff at all when I have to sort things out for one reason or another, be it entirely mundane or serious. I solve the issue at hand, and only then returns to my pleasant habits.

I am sceptical to moral campaigns against drinking and to replace one crutch with another - typically drinking vs faith. Works for some indeed, but it is still about crutches, and it is more about recruiting followers than helping the victims of addiction. Some of it is pure exploitation.
 
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