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Hello. Currently the Dan Clark E3 are hyped.

However, lots of it is glued.
Do you really want to invest 2 grand for something that must be replaced on the first defect thats not just wear of the earpad?

@amirm it may perform great, but does your recommendation really depend only on sound?
We should take maintainability into account.
Best everything is easy to repair, too.
I remember going down this road with some members @ ASR some time ago. @amirm said he does not want to get into testing for longevity and that sort of stuff.
 
I remember going down this road with some members @ ASR some time ago. @amirm said he does not want to get into testing for longevity and that sort of stuff.
I guess that makes sense.
Is there some data on what happens for Dan Clark headphones for instance after the 3 year warranty?
I am stuck in choice limbo and I don't order because of these worries to try them out.

I mean, Dan Clark E3 cable is bad, I would need to add another 300 EUR at least + import fees.
And then theres the fact that you can't be arsed to fix the position every second because it is misaligned again

One thing that I know could be good is Focal Utopia with custom cable...
Because that one I heard.
But also here cable is bulky crap.
 
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I guess that makes sense.
Is there some data on what happens for Dan Clark headphones for instance after the 3 year warranty?
I am stuck in choice limbo and I don't order because of these worries to try them out.

I mean, Dan Clark E3 cable is bad, I would need to add another 300 EUR at least + import fees.
And then theres the fact that you can't be arsed to fix the position every second because it is misaligned again
I chatted Dan Clark about spare parts and he advised that they are serviceable and spare parts are and will be kept in stock.
 
I chatted Dan Clark about spare parts and he advised that they are serviceable and spare parts are and will be kept in stock.
That's good to know.
However the precision required to wear these apparently would put me a bit off.
I could try Focal Utopia with custom cable.
They sound good in every position possibly.

But I don't know about serviceability about them either.
Or longevity.
But at least I heard them in person.
 
That's good to know.
However the precision required to wear these apparently would put me a bit off.
I could try Focal Utopia with custom cable.
They sound good in every position possibly.

But I don't know about serviceability about them either.
Or longevity.
But at least I heard them in person.
I'm always interested in good headphones; how did they sound to you and did you compare them to the Dan Clark headphones at the same place?
 
I'm always interested in good headphones; how did they sound to you and did you compare them to the Dan Clark headphones at the same place?
They added sub-bass in certain tracks where there was none. I liked that.
I did not have the Dan Clark for comparison.
The Witcher 3 Soundtrack sounded brilliant with them.

Voice Quality was great. When I did watch streams of people, it felt like I was in the same room with them.

About wearing comfort - they are not suitable if you are consider them while jamming on an instrument.
They don't have enough grip on the head. They just slide off.

Unlike Beyerdynamic - these are also quite on the heavy end, and their cable is absolutely garbage with the splitter at around 79cm.

I am really wondering if I should grab them again. The sound was a great fit...
But this time I need a good cable.
 
They added sub-bass in certain tracks where there was none. I liked that.
I did not have the Dan Clark for comparison.
The Witcher 3 Soundtrack sounded brilliant with them.

Voice Quality was great. When I did watch streams of people, it felt like I was in the same room with them.

About wearing comfort - they are not suitable if you are consider them while jamming on an instrument.
They don't have enough grip on the head. They just slide off.

Unlike Beyerdynamic - these are also quite on the heavy end, and their cable is absolutely garbage with the splitter at around 79cm.

I am really wondering if I should grab them again. The sound was a great fit...
But this time I need a good cable.
Have you tested the Sennheiser headphones. They fit very well on the head and with PEQ they are claimed to sound fantastic and the cable is decent from what I understand.
 
Have you tested the Sennheiser headphones. They fit very well on the head and with PEQ they are claimed to sound fantastic and the cable is decent from what I understand.
Which ones? HD800S?
I haven't. Should I test them?
 
Which ones? HD800S?
I haven't. Should I test them?
It's worth a shot. Lots of people are very happy with Sennheisers. Can't hurt to test drive a set and use the PEQ.
 
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It's worth a shot. Lots of people are very happy with Sennheisers. Can't hurt to test drive a set and use the PEQ.
Equalization and Audio Adjustments:
- I applied the equalization settings from the AutoEq project using EasyEffects - from crinacle https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq/blob/master/results/crinacle/GRAS 43AG-7 over-ear/Sennheiser HD 800 S/Sennheiser HD 800 S ParametricEQ.txt.
- The sibilances were too harsh, but now it's much improved. This is my favorite EQ configuration out of the seven I've tried so far.

Headphone Performance
- The Sennheiser HD 800 S headphones are definitely unique, but they're not ideal for all types of music.
- For tracks like the Tekken Soundtrack, bass-heavy headphones would provide a more enjoyable experience, but that's more about the 'fun' factor rather than actual sound quality.

Comfort and Design
- I really enjoy these headphones, although they don't form a proper seal around my head. It's not a big issue, but it's something I noticed.
- The included cables are very flexible, but the 6.35mm one is unnecessarily long.

Sound Quality
These headphones reveal flaws in tracks that aren't well-suited for them.
On the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro, lower-quality songs actually sound better, which is fine for casual listening.
The HD 800 S lacks the sub-bass emphasis that I noticed in Focal Utopia headphones from 2020.

ASMR
- So far I haven't found an ASMR track that I particularly enjoyed with these.
- Some sounds sound too far away. But I think that's a source problem.

Song Impressions
- One track that really impressed me on the HD 800 S was 'Mili - Rightfully'. The YouTube version doesn't do it justice, but the FLAC version sounds incredible.
 
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When paying this kind of money, it has to be indestructible. Non-negotiable. Shocked to find that they are "delicately" constructed. Sad.
 
When paying this kind of money, it has to be indestructible. Non-negotiable. Shocked to find that they are "delicately" constructed. Sad.
I spent about half an hour with the 800s at an audio store. While not indestructable, the construction seems well thought out. I dont think users need to worry much about them breaking.

Did you know that people exist who pay 8000 for the most easily destructable headphones you can imagine? :D
 
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I spent about half an hour with the 800s at an audio store. While not indestructable, the construction seems well thought out. I dont think users need to worry much about them breaking.

Did you know that people exist who pay 8000 for the most easily destructable headphones you can imagine? :D

I own only one OE Headphone, the AKG K702, and after 10 years I changed the pads, and can imagine that the replacement pads should last another 20 years, cos they are even better than the originals. Only thing that went wrong was a crack in the mechanism which adjust the fit, but that was my fault, must have sat on it when I fell asleep on a chair, or inadvertently. Even that I think with a bit of superglue, I should be able to "fix" that.

Otherwise, sounds exactly the same as the day I received it. Some of the "chrome" paint has worn off and it looks flaky, but well it has also not been treated with the utmost of care, and I think storage in a bit of damp air/fungi may have contributed to this flaking.

And that was an item that cost less than $150., and still does.

Sure newer headphones have improved sonics, but I see no reason why long term reliability should be compromised in a headphone.

I did buy some less expensive headphones as gifts for family members, AKG something 50's, can't remember the model number, and these both got damaged within about 3 years, which demonstrates that the issue of quality and reliability is a universal one. I also have Sony and Sennheiser earbuds, the cheapie things, that went bad within a few months.

So ultimately, its a buyer beware issue, where we need to research, to identify the reliable products.

Sadly, with so many listening devices, being released today, IEM's, headphones, and speakers, pretty hard to tell which will go the distance. I've a pair of 22 year old Alesis M1 Actives, old studio monitors, still working perfectly - maybe not sounding anywhere near as good as modern equivalents, but it's still working. !

The worst offenders with reliability, seem to be IEM's, in my limited experience with them - bought 6 so far. 1 was dead on arrival, a second was dead with serious channel imbalance after I wore them to sleep one night, and the only planar magnetic I own an ARTTI T10 has a definite, if slight frequency response imbalance as well as a level imbalance between left and right earpiece. When I read or watch reviews of IEM's there is so much talk of "sample" variance. from one sample to the other, but then there is also measured differences by reviewers, especially of planar magnetics, with variance between left and right.

In the professional audio world, there is the concept of a matched stereo pair, for microphones. so that if one was recording in stereo, you have the best chance of an accurate recording, cos the left and right have almost identical frequency response, but you pay a bit more for this.

I'd be happy to pay a bit more for a more reliable listening device, which was made more reliable by design, quality manufacturing, and backed up by quality control. e.g. a measurement of the specific device I bought, of the left and right, proving that any differences were within an acceptable worst case variance.
 
That's a bit silly.
Would you mind clarifying that opinion? What exactly is silly about what I said? Wishing to understand you better.
 
Hello. Currently the Dan Clark E3 are hyped.

However, lots of it is glued.
Do you really want to invest 2 grand for something that must be replaced on the first defect thats not just wear of the earpad?

@amirm it may perform great, but does your recommendation really depend only on sound?
We should take maintainability into account.
Best everything is easy to repair, too.
Thinking about this a bit more, it appears that there are a few different market segments.

1. Cheap and cheerful, like the kind of earbuds that are bundled with some smartphones. Not intended for any long term reliability, I remember buying over time 3 Sony ear bud things, of the same model, which sounded so different from each other, and none of them lasted more than a few months, cost about $6 or $7. At that level of investment, one really should not complain.

2. Aspiring, like many of the budget IEM's, for those who are starting out, in the hobby, and hope they can snag a bargain., when these IEM's costing less than about $30 break, not sure if one should complain too much.

3. Hobbyist, typically spending at least $100 for an IEM or $300 for an Over Ear Headphone. Now at this level, they are demanding some reliability from their investment.

4. Audio Professional - those whose daily bread relies on audio tools such as headphones. Here great sounding takes a back seat, cos they need the tools to work every day, year after year, no excuses, and will be willing to compromise on audio quality, a little bit, if the headphones/IEMs will not break

Each market segment having a different tolerance for failure.
 
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