The E lenses that came at the end of the F-mount era were really good. They were a noticeable step up from most of the G lenses. But the Z's are unquestionably better. The marketing around the new mount and its advantages were not just hyperbole. Of course in addition to that there is some other secret sauce going on with advanced optical design.
"Unquestionably better" is quite a claim. I recall a shootout of the 85mm f/1.8 F and Z which concluded the F was better. A similar result for the 24-70 f/2.8.
I would like to see that, because it's the opposite of what I've seen. Especially for the 24-70! That lens was never that sharp in the G version, but the Z is one of the best lenses out there on any platform.
Rather than go off into a debate about any particular lens I would like to get back to what I was trying to say in the first place before another member (not you) made a trollish, disparaging remark. That is, most F-Mount lenses (other than screwdriver AF) remain viable choices for photography with professional quality results on Z mount bodies with an adaptor.
So opinionated and much to argue with where do I startAnd you are in a very small minority.
I tend to be a late adopter, but when it came to mirrorless, the advantages were too obvious. I jumped within 5 years of their arrival, which is early by my standards.
I regularly point out that it is wrong to think that a DSLR user is 'looking through the lens at the scene itself'. No they don't do that. Just like mirrorless EVF users, DSLR users are looking at a little screen a couple of inches from their eye. The screen is covered in little grounds, which act like pixels and emit light. That's what you are seeing.
Yeahhh, that doesn't happen either. Visual memory is shockingly bad like that. Same goes for audio memory of course: I hope we on ASR are suffering no delusions that we can remember the audio from a live event well enough to compare it to the sound from our speakers later that day at home, in terms of the sound waves themselves. Same issues.
I do! How, you may ask? Well I have these things called eyes, with which I was looking at the subject matter before I raised my camera. The whole notion that I have no absolute reference is not right.
You would actually be better off using a mirrorless camera to do what you are trying to do. You can alternate between looking at the scene with the naked eye, and raising the camera to look at the 'final image' as portrayed in the EVF. No visual memory catastrophe.
Same mistakes here as I noted above.
In fact, there are several important ways that the OVF view is less realistic than the EVF view. For example lens distortion: it's not in the scene itself, it's not in the final image, but it's in the OVF. Same for lens vignetting: it's not in the scene itself, it's not in the final image, but it's in the OVF. The EVF auto-corrects for these imposed errors and gives us a better representation of what the scene itself looks like and what the final image looks like.
Plus, in dim lighting, an OVF turns dim compared to reality and sometimes we can't even see what is going on in the scene. An EVF can brighten and provide critical information from the scene that the OVF can't.
The whole idea, that one can't do this as a mirrorless camera user, doesn't hold up.
Don't bother with him.So opinionated and much to argue with where do I start
That's quite pathetic, Ron. You're better than that.
Start anywhere you like.So opinionated and much to argue with where do I start
You made a series of assertions and I scrutinised them with logic and reason. I welcome your counter argument, providing it is also based on factual scrutiny.I'll take Ron's advice - I sense this would be something I don't want to spend my energy on.Start anywhere you like.
There are tons of used F-Mount lenses available from KEH and other web oriented vendors in the US. I guess things are different in the brick and mortar world. Despite their continued utility F-Mount lenses and reflex bodies are going the way of film cameras.
Phones are how must photos are taken today. Interchangeable lens cameras are for pro's and advanced amateurs. I'm using my phone more than I used to.
And guys like me who won't discard old but perfectly operating gear.
True, but the devil is in the detail. My D750 has a direct WiFi connection you can use to send images to a phone via the app, but the app sucks. I hope this stuff has gotten better with newer bodies, as there is nothing more irritating than taking a really nice photo and the participants then demand instant copies via some social platform and I have to explain that I can't "just share it".
