The Death of Windows 10

[Sal1950]

No, is just a full account backup.

I disagree, and this is nothing to do with hacking. Without the knowledge to read the code written into that "full account backup to Onedrive" link clicked, you really have no idea what you've given permissions to be uploaded. You may trust M$ but not I.
That's why I use Linux for 99% of my personal computing.
YMMV

 

[RickS]

I disagree, and this is nothing to do with hacking. Without the knowledge to read the code written into that "full account backup to Onedrive" link clicked, you really have no idea what you've given permissions to be uploaded. You may trust M$ but not I.
That's why I use Linux for 99% of my personal computing.
YMMV

As we work with facts here, did not say I trusted Microsoft entirely and did say you should NOT trust anyone entirely.

Linux is hardly absolutely secure and is no pancea in any case. I am CISSP trained and have friends who work/worked in information security. The fact you are participating on an online forum is a security risk. Your ISP could be compromised and/or sharing your information as well. Anyway, drifting off topic for this thread so will exit at this point.

 

[respice finem]

Life itself is dangerous and finally deadly - but it's not wrong to avoid avoidable risks.

 

[Doodski]

I disagree, and this is nothing to do with hacking. Without the knowledge to read the code written into that "full account backup to Onedrive" link clicked, you really have no idea what you've given permissions to be uploaded. You may trust M$ but not I.
That's why I use Linux for 99% of my personal computing.
YMMV

I updated my desktop PC powerhouse box from Win 10 to Win 11. I purchased a license for the StartAllBack software so that I can have my taskbar at the left side like I always had it. Then I commenced configuring the settings and privacy stuff. WoW! I had to disable many things that are all for reporting to Microsoft and up and down information data. It was all over in the options that are very numerous now with Win 11. Many of the new options I like very much but all those data sharing and information uploads to Microsoft was very eye opening. I have had 5 Linux boxes over the years and not one had anything like this.

 

[Sal1950]

Linux is hardly absolutely secure and is no pancea in any case.

Life itself is dangerous and finally deadly - but it's not wrong to avoid avoidable risks.

Sure, the only absolute is death, and even then some think different. LOL

Looking into things a bit further I see that commercial users are being charged $60 for the first year and the price will double every year after. OUCH.
So far I don't see talk of any further extensions for consumer users but I have a feeling M$ is going to feel the bite from the public over this as time passes by. There's gonna be millions screaming after next month.. I could be wrong ?

 

[respice finem]

Sure, the only absolute is death, and even then some think different. LOL

Looking into things a bit further I see that commercial users are being charged $60 for the first year and the price will double every year after. OUCH.
So far I don't see talk of any further extensions for consumer users but I have a feeling M$ is going to feel the bite from the public over this as time passes by. There's gonna be millions screaming after next month.. I could be wrong ?

Well, if they want me to use it, they would have to pay me more (and even then, they would get no important data)

 

[Timcognito]

Come on you get a lifetime license for $10 (see my post #739)

 

[Sal1950]

Come on you get a lifetime license for $10 (see my post #739)

Sure,,if you want Doz 11, I'd really rather prefer not.
I use it up at our Office and find it a mess, as is the general populations opinion.

 

[Ifrit]

Not to the same extent. Yes they are tracking my preferences etc, but I've not given them some unknown access to my hard drive.
Do you know how many permissions or to what level you given OneDrive? Or is it just full ROOT access?

Oh I know what level of access I’ve given to OneDrive. Exactly none. It’s uninstalled on my Win11 machines and they are disconnected from internet. I only use those for one specific purpose that does not require access to the outside network.
And yes, Apple/Google to the same extent. Amazon might be slightly less. Slightly.

 

[Sal1950]

Oh I know what level of access I’ve given to OneDrive. Exactly none. It’s uninstalled on my Win11 machines and they are disconnected from internet.

That'll work. LOL Just curious how your logging into ASR?
Are you a Mac or Linux guy?

 

[Ifrit]

Thank god I am agnostic.

 

[mhardy6647]

Thank god I am agnostic.

my brain just exploded.

 

[Ifrit]

Then I'm doing something right.

 

[dualazmak]

Just for your reference....
As I wrote here a few minutes before,,,

As of today, October 4 Japan Time, the latest Windows Update for 25H2 KB5065789 (26200.6725) has automatically come onto all of my nine (9) outdated/non-compatible/unsupported Windows 11 Pro 25H2 free-upgraded (by "setup.exe /product server") PCs (summary ref. #29), and all automatically smoothly applied.

So far, Windows 11 Pro 25H2 (now build 26200.6725) has no issue nor problem at all, at least in my nine (9) officially unsupported PCs including the really outdated audio(-visual) dedicated two PCs in our living-listening room; very stable, robust, and fast enough; it looks considerably better than 24H2.

As I wrote many times before, for security concerns, in all the unsupported Windows 11 Pro 25H2 PCs, I subscribe "ESET Internet Security" and fully utilize it including the identification and elimination of spam and/or virus-infected/poor-security mails/messages/web-pages/software-applications.

Furthermore, I always reject, i.e. set "OFF", against all of (as far as possible) Microsoft's attempts of collecting private data/information, including the features/functionalities of "Copilot" and "One-drive".

Also, as shared in #55 there, just for possible contingency purposes, I again found/retrieved each of the latest "Product Keys" of Windows 11 Pro 25H2 using a tiny application "Windows Product Key Viewer" (now ver.3.03), and save/keep them in a protected text file as well as printed on a paper to be saved in our key-locked "safe".

 

[respice finem]

How dependent on Windows we really are, depends on what we need and what we don't. Since I'm retired, it became easy for me to switch to Linux for everyday tasks. No potentially destructive update "terror", no licensing and activation circus, no nudging to cloud storage, no nosy "assistants", etc. No qualms about what will be Microsoft's next "great" idea.

I still use Windows though, mainly as a local media player and data "vault". An extra machine, an old "emergency server" with databases of all patient data, is ready to access when I need to revisit some old data (happens sporadically, but happens). All encrypted of course, and with several backups.

Obviously, it's not a solution for many, to avoid having confidential data "sniffed" etc., but for some it will work well, and is as simple as it gets.
Last but not least, keeping old PCs in a "Windows mausoleum" role is more ecological than throwing them away.

 

[Salt]

How dependent on Windows we really are, depends on what we need and what we don't. Since I'm retired, it became easy for me to switch to Linux for everyday tasks. No potentially destructive update "terror", no licensing and activation circus, no nudging to cloud storage, no nosy "assistants", etc. No qualms about what will be Microsoft's next "great" idea.

I still use Windows though, mainly as a local media player and data "vault". An extra machine, an old "emergency server" with databases of all patient data, is ready to access when I need to revisit some old data (happens sporadically, but happens). All encrypted of course, and with several backups.

Obviously, it's not a solution for many, to avoid having confidential data "sniffed" etc., but for some it will work well, and is as simple as it gets.
Last but not least, keeping old PCs in a "Windows mausoleum" role is more ecological than throwing them away.

You could migrate the DB to Linux, and You know why I know

 

[respice finem]

Yes, but a) I am too lazy and b) it won't be more secure than it is now (offline permanently). NTARS. If it breaks down (I need it for 7 more years), then I'll have to consider other options. But it's an old Xeon with a real Fujitsu server mainboard, so, used sporadically, it might "outlive" me

I am not "ideologically" against Windows, it just stopped being my OS of choice for online duties.
And I am old enough to know, life without cloud services or streaming subscriptions is perfectly possible.

 

[Berwhale]

In my workplace, we have migrated approximately 65,000 physical and virtual devices to Windows 11. There's around 5,000 that are still on Windows 10. A large proportion of these systems will need extended Windows support because they are running business software that the vendor does not support on Windows 11. I work in a regulated industry, so running software that does not have commercial support is not an option (we would open ourselves up to huge fines). Recent regulation, such as DORA, has increased the scrutiny (and likely fines) on software compliance and vendor support, the job is not getting any easier...

To be honest, the cost of extended Windows support is a fairly minor part of our overall Microsoft bill; Microsoft365 and Azure are huge in comparison.

 

[kemmler3D]

Anecdote but I just got a new PC with Win 11 on it and so far it's been completely fine. I uninstalled and disabled a bunch of copilot stuff and so far no real complaints. Not as bad as I expected.

 

[respice finem]

Anecdote but I just got a new PC with Win 11 on it and so far it's been completely fine. I uninstalled and disabled a bunch of copilot stuff and so far no real complaints. Not as bad as I expected.

There is a nice "vaccine" preventing most of the annoyances from returning with the next update:

O&O ShutUp10++: Free antispy tool for Windows 10 and 11

With this tool you have full control over which comfort functions under Windows 10 and Windows 11 you wish to use, and you decide when the passing on of your data goes too far.

www.oo-software.com

BTW the bloat- and sniffware is what made Windows feel increasingly "creepy" for me.
I grew tired with fighting it off. I am the user, not the product